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Washington DC, September 14 -- In the wake of the terrorist atrocity at a school in Beslan, North Ossetia, in the Russian Federation, Russian President Vladimir Putin has made remarks to the western press which expose the key role of the US and British governments in backing Chechen terrorism. Whatever Putin�s previous role in events regarding Chechnya, his current political posture is one which sharply undercuts the legitimacy of the supposed Anglo-American �war on terror,� and which points up the hypocrisy of the Bush regime�s pledge that it will make no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them -- since Washington and London are currently harboring Chechens implicated in terrorism. All in all, Putin�s response to Chechen events has, with the third anniversary of 9/11, brought the collapse of the official 9/11 myth measurably closer. The hypocritical terror demagogy of Bush and Blair has now been undercut by the head of state of another permanent member of the UN Security Council...
�Mr. Putin,� continues Le Monde, �reiterated the accusation he had launched in a veiled form against western countries which appear to use double-talk. On the one side, their leaders assure the Russian President of their solidarity in the fight against terrorism. On the other hand, the intelligence services and the military � �who have not abandoned their Cold War prejudices,� in Putin�s words -- entertain contacts with those the international press calls the �rebels.� �Why are those who emulate Bin Laden called terrorists and the people who kill children, rebels? Where is the logic?� asked Vladimir Putin, and then gave the answer: �Because certain political circles in the West want to weaken Russia just like the Romans wanted to destroy Carthage.� �But, continued Putin, �we will not allow this scenario to come to pass.��
Le Monde continues: �This is, according to [Putin] a bad calculation, because Russia is a factor of stability. By weakening it, the Cold War nostalgics are clearly acting against the interests of their own country.� In Putin�s words: �We are the sincere champions of this cooperation [against terrorism], we are open and loyal partners. But if foreign services have contacts with the �rebels,� they cannot be treated as reliable allies, as Russia is for them.� (Le Monde, September 8, 2004)
�The terrorists who seized the school in Beslan, North Ossetia, took their orders from abroad. �They were talking with people not from Russia, but from abroad. They were being directed,� said Aslambek Aslakhanov, advisor to the President of the Russian Federation. �It is the desire of our �friends� � in quotation marks -- who have probably for more than a decade been carrying out enormous, titanic work, aimed at dismembering Russia. These people have worked very hard, and the fact that the financing comes from there and that they are the puppet masters, is also clear.�
�In early August, ... �Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Chechen Republic-Ichkeria� Ilyas Akhmadov received political asylum in the USA. And for his �outstanding services,� Akhmadov received a Reagan-Fascell grant,� including a monthly stipend, medical insurance, and a well-equipped office with all necessary support services, including the possibility of meetings with political circles and leading U.S. media....�What about our partners in the �anti-terrorist coalition,� who provided asylum, offices and money to Maskhadov�s representatives?�asks the Russian press agency. Citing the official expressions of sympathy and offers of help from President Bush, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and State Department spokesman Richard Boucher, KMNews warns: �But let�s not shed tears of gratitude just yet. First we should ask: were �Special Representative of the President of CRI� Zakayev or �Minister of Foreign Affairs of the CRI� Akhmadov, located in Great Britain and the USA, aware of the terrorist acts that were in preparation?
�Some days prior to the onset of the series of acts of terrorism in Russia, which has cost hundreds of lives, a number of extremely influential Western mass-media, expressing establishment positions, issued a personal warning to Vladimir Putin, that Russia should get out of the Caucasus, or else his political career would come to an end.
Originally posted by Blackout
Russia + China
Originally posted by Blackout
Yes there are definitely tensions between the East and West. Ultimately, we will all be lead into a huge war...possibly a World War. Russia + China vs. US + UK perhaps?
Putin is obviously trying to gain more power though. His arguments are based on false or the lack of intelligence and it's quite clear what his intentions are.
Originally posted by Blackout
Yes there are definitely tensions between the East and West. Ultimately, we will all be lead into a huge war...possibly a World War. Russia + China vs. US + UK perhaps?
Putin is obviously trying to gain more power though. His arguments are based on false or the lack of intelligence and it's quite clear what his intentions are.
Originally posted by sturod84
all conspiracy theory aside, is the US that dumb to help out chechnia? what would they stand to gain from that?
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Seems a conflict may be emerging between the East and West.
Are terrorists truly capable of all the skirmishes around the world or is this being sponsored by countries who have something to gain by these terrorist acts?
[edit on 17-9-2004 by Jamuhn]
First we should ask: were �Special Representative of the President of CRI� Zakayev or �Minister of Foreign Affairs of the CRI� Akhmadov, located in Great Britain and the USA, aware of the terrorist acts that were in preparation?
The Guardian
the leading group which pleads the Chechen cause is the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-styled "distinguished Americans" who are its members is a rollcall of the most prominent neoconservatives who so enthusastically support the "war on terror".
They include Richard Perle, the notorious Pentagon adviser; Elliott Abrams of Iran-Contra fame; Kenneth Adelman, the former US ambassador to the UN who egged on the invasion of Iraq by predicting it would be "a cakewalk"; Midge Decter, biographer of Donald Rumsfeld and a director of the rightwing Heritage Foundation; Frank Gaffney of the militarist Centre for Security Policy; Bruce Jackson, former US military intelligence officer and one-time vice-president of Lockheed Martin, now president of the US Committee on Nato; Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute, a former admirer of Italian fascism and now a leading proponent of regime change in Iran; and R James Woolsey, the former CIA director who is one of the leading cheerleaders behind George Bush's plans to re-model the Muslim world along pro-US lines.
The ACPC heavily promotes the idea that the Chechen rebellion shows the undemocratic nature of Putin's Russia, and cultivates support for the Chechen cause by emphasising the seriousness of human rights violations in the tiny Caucasian republic. It compares the Chechen crisis to those other fashionable "Muslim" causes, Bosnia and Kosovo - implying that only international intervention in the Caucasus can stabilise the situation there. In August, the ACPC welcomed the award of political asylum in the US, and a US-government funded grant, to Ilyas Akhmadov, foreign minister in the opposition Chechen government, and a man Moscow describes as a terrorist.
Originally posted by kode
I don�t like any of this, it all sounds pretty scary. I think to right of a Russia china collaborating could be jumping the gun they are neighbours, the west might not know everything that goes on. Also the idea of EU minus the UK in a stand of with the USA especially if Bush remains in power i feel could be plausible. Putin has got a point, if the reports are not lies then America and England are walking a tight rope.