It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by Flatfish
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Open your eyes.
The entire ObamaCare disaster will be thrown out by SCOTUS by June 2012.
It's unconstitutional.
There you go again with the wishful thinking. More than likely, the only part of "ObamaCare" that will be deemed unconstitutional is the "Personal Mandate" to purchase coverage through a private insurer, which by the way, was a mainstay position of the Heritage Foundation, Newt Gingrich and the GOP as a whole, right up until the minute that Obama caved on the issue and gave in to their demands.
If you remember correctly, us democrats wanted a seat at the table for representatives of a "Single-Payer" and/or "Public Option" but were denied, much the same way that women were denied the right to representation at the hearing that is the subject of this thread. Can you see a pattern here?
Once the SCOTUS rules on the constitutionality of the "personal mandate" and I agree that they will probably deem it to be unlawful, it will pave the way for a more comprehensive "single-payer" plan like the one envisioned by the democrats to begin with.
On the other hand, the current GOP tactic of denying representation to those most affected by legislation will only blow up in their face.
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
It's hard for Obama to get re-elected if the price of gas is $7 a gallon.
Womens health will NOT be the number one thing on everyones mind.
According to James Carville, "It's the economy, stupid." Remember?
--------
Stop playing the victim card. It's sad and it won't work.
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Dream on. The Canadian - single payer / Public Option is not coming to America.
When the SCOTUS kills the - personal mandate- then ObamaCare is dead.
That's how it was going to be funded.
We will have a much better - alternative - to fix the current health care mess.
Country Start Date of Universal Health Care System Type
Click links for more source material on each country’s health care system.
Norway 1912 Single Payer
New Zealand 1938 Two Tier
Japan 1938 Single Payer
Germany 1941 Insurance Mandate
Belgium 1945 Insurance Mandate
United Kingdom 1948 Single Payer
Kuwait 1950 Single Payer
Sweden 1955 Single Payer
Bahrain 1957 Single Payer
Brunei 1958 Single Payer
Canada 1966 Single Payer
Netherlands 1966 Two-Tier
Austria 1967 Insurance Mandate
United Arab Emirates 1971 Single Payer
Finland 1972 Single Payer
Slovenia 1972 Single Payer
Denmark 1973 Two-Tier
Luxembourg 1973 Insurance Mandate
France 1974 Two-Tier
Australia 1975 Two Tier
Ireland 1977 Two-Tier
Italy 1978 Single Payer
Portugal 1979 Single Payer
Cyprus 1980 Single Payer
Greece 1983 Insurance Mandate
Spain 1986 Single Payer
South Korea 1988 Insurance Mandate
Iceland 1990 Single Payer
Hong Kong 1993 Two-Tier
Singapore 1993 Two-Tier
Switzerland 1994 Insurance Mandate
Israel 1995 Two-Tier
United States 2014 Insurance Mandate
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Instead of worrying about women getting silenced at a House Hearing, people will
be racing to buy their Chevy Volt or Nissan Leaf.
Originally posted by Flatfish
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Instead of worrying about women getting silenced at a House Hearing, people will
be racing to buy their Chevy Volt or Nissan Leaf.
And buying a Chevy Volt or Nissan Leaf is to somehow supposed to be a bad thing?
Originally posted by Flatfish
Look, as much as you would like to blame the President for everything you disagree with in the world today, that hardly makes it true.
Originally posted by peck420
Originally posted by Flatfish
Look, as much as you would like to blame the President for everything you disagree with in the world today, that hardly makes it true.
If only people voted that way.
History has shown us repeatedly that current administrations are judged by the 'right now' (regardless of how you got there). Most votes (historically) have been more about ousting the 'bad' person, not so much of putting in a 'good' person. So, if gas hits $7/gallon, it will be blamed on Obama (like he could change it), and there would be a real risk of voters looking to oust him for it (and the rest of the poor economy).
Just how it goes.
The government should not force doctors to perform procedures or employers to provide coverage for services they view as immoral any more than the government should force treatments on Americans. The federal government has no business in a doctor's examining room, and the Administration's actions have put our nation's deep commitment to religious freedom in jeopardy.
Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
reply to post by David9176
This quote is a response from my U.S. Senator. It nails the core of the issue.
The government should not force doctors to perform procedures or employers to provide coverage for services they view as immoral any more than the government should force treatments on Americans. The federal government has no business in a doctor's examining room, and the Administration's actions have put our nation's deep commitment to religious freedom in jeopardy.
Originally posted by kosmicjack
The topic is women being silenced in a house hearing on contraceptives.
Silenced by Obama? No. Silenced by the GOP.
Originally posted by Flatfish
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
It's hard for Obama to get re-elected if the price of gas is $7 a gallon.
Womens health will NOT be the number one thing on everyones mind.
According to James Carville, "It's the economy, stupid." Remember?
--------
Stop playing the victim card. It's sad and it won't work.
Look, as much as you would like to blame the President for everything you disagree with in the world today, that hardly makes it true.
$7 a gallon gas, if it indeed comes to pass, would not in any way be the sole fault of the President and/or his policies and most americans are smart enough to realize that truth. Hell, the other day I read a thread where the current Falkland Island issue was somehow his fault. What, does he run the U.K. too? Is there anything that is not the Presidents fault?
Furthermore, in case you hadn't noticed, the economy is slowly getting better and the GOP has apparently decided that it's their religious ideology imposed upon others that they will use to influence voters to support their nominee. Hardly a winning stance, if you ask me.edit on 17-2-2012 by Flatfish because: (no reason given)
Actually the President has declared war on drilling in the U.S. and even went so far as to kill the pipeline. He has already said that he was okay with people paying more for gas, so yes it is his fault.
Originally posted by luccadeo
Actually the President has declared war on drilling in the U.S. and even went so far as to kill the pipeline. He has already said that he was okay with people paying more for gas, so yes it is his fault. Second, just because we see some doctored numbers does not mean that the economy is getting better. On the contrary almost everyone I talk to, especially SMB owners are telling a very different tale.This President and his socialist ilk are so anti-business that it is disgusting.
U.S. Oil Production: Up or Down?
While Republicans have criticized Obama’s energy policies, the president has touted — as he did in a March 11 press conference — that oil production rose last year.
Obama, March 11: Last year, American oil production reached its highest level since 2003. Let me repeat that. Our oil production reached its highest level in seven years. Oil production from federal waters in the Gulf of Mexico reached an all-time high.
Obama is right on both counts. EIA data (table 4a) shows that total domestic production of crude oil was 5.51 million barrels per day, including 1.64 million barrels per day from the Gulf of Mexico. Historical EIA data shows that the last time the U.S. produced that much total oil was in 2003, when it generated 5.68 million barrels per day. (We already addressed that 2010 was indeed a record year for the Gulf.)
So, why did Republican Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California say on CNN’s “State of the Union” that oil production has gone down?
McCarthy, March 13: You know, under this administration, our output has gone down 13 percent.
McCarthy is wrong. He undoubtedly meant to say that oil production in the Gulf is projected to go down 13 percent this year — which is how Sen. Jon Kyl correctly stated it later on the same program. But that figure represents a projection, not an actual decline, and overall decline in domestic production is expected to be 2 percent once you factor in a rise in domestic production elsewhere. It’s another example of selective use of figures to make a partisan point.
Gheit said the longer range “picture is not as grim” as some make it out to be. He pointed to the Bakken Shale deposit in North Dakota, which the EIA says produced 49.4 million barrels in 2009. Gheit said North Dakota could be producing 1 million barrels a day by 2014. “That would more than exceed any shortfall in the Gulf,” he said. (The Bakken isn’t the world’s largest oil reserve as claimed in a chain e-mail that has circulated for years, but it is helping U.S. production significantly.)
U.S. Oil Imports: Up or Down?
How much oil the U.S. imports also has been a source of confusion.
Earlier this month we wrote about seemingly conflicting comments made by Obama and McConnell. The president said that imports declined last year to less than 50 percent of U.S. consumption, while the Kentucky senator warned that the U.S. imports 60 percent of our oil. McConnell was talking about total imports, while Obama was talking about net imports (total imports minus exports). Both can claim to be correct, but the EIA sides with Obama’s math when gauging U.S. dependency on foreign oil.
As you can see, it is easy to cite official numbers to support a partisan narrative.
Also on imports, Palin claimed in that same March 15 Facebook post that the administration’s inaction on drilling permits is “allowing America to remain increasingly dependent on imports from foreign regimes in dangerously unstable parts of the world.”
There is no question that the U.S. for a long time has relied on importing oil from dangerously unstable parts of the world. But has Obama allowed us to become “increasingly dependent”? No.
First of all, net imports are trending downward. Our reliance on imported liquid fuels — as the EIA calls oil and other petroleum products — declined to less than 50 percent of U.S. consumption in 2010. And, despite an expected uptick this and next year, it will decline through 2035. The EIA’s 2011 Annual Energy Outlook, released December 2010, projects our reliance on imported liquid fuels will drop to 42 percent by 2035.
EIA, December 2010: U.S. dependence on imported liquid fuels measured as a share of total U.S. liquid fuel use, which reached 60 percent in 2005 and 2006 before falling to 52 percent in 2009, is expected to continue declining over the projection period, to 42 percent in 2035.
Our reliance on imports from foreign countries — whether stable or unstable — is projected to trend down in the long-term, even though there may be ups and downs along the way.