reply to post by aboutface
You raise great questions with great observations. Thanks.
Have thought a fair amount about this but you are causing me to think more and deeper about it.
Off the top of my head and heart . . .
I think it's another BOTH/AND vs EITHER/OR sort of thing.
1. Children learn respect from experiencing it and watching it.
2. Healthy children transition from being supremely ego-centric to focusing more on others with respect and caring.
3. The Military has a rule/law that one RESPECTS the rank, the office, the humanity etc. of others whether one can honestly respect the individual's
choices, actions, person, or not.
4. That's often a challenging thing. What does one respect when a parent or a leader does horrific and horrifically stupid, destructive things?
5. In the military one is expected to still respect the office--and, where necessary, inform superior officers of the horrid behaviors/ statements/
decisions of the incompetent evil jerk.
6. One gets the impression that in the Old Testament times, respect was expected of parents regardless of how wrong they might be. Otherwise,
rebellion was cause for stoning to death.
7. And, certainly for the structure and order of society to hold together much at all . . . a substrate of generalized respect of others as worthwhile
human beings deserving of some minimal level of respect, courtesy, civility--is well warranted, essential. And, it is important for that to be the
FOUNDATIONAL RULE, THE UNDERLYING GIVEN--regardless.
7.1 Respect first. Adjust as needed.
8. Certainly all my parents were of that old school. And, I'd often make excuses for their abuse with the comment that they "DID THE BEST THEY KNEW
HOW TO DO." And that was true enough.
9. However, occasionally, God would remind me--they had His Word. While the Bible includes "spare the rod, spoil the child," it also includes:
"Provoke not your children to wrath." That last one seems to be ignored by a lot of intense "Christian" parents.
10. And, USUALLY exactly those parents are the ones who end up being MOST HYPOCRITICAL and "Do as I say; not as I do." THAT'S A SURE WAY TO SHRED
RESPECT, PREVENT RESPECT. How can it be otherwise?
11. There is NOTHING RESPECTABLE about gross hypocrisy!
12. Quality, deep rooted, broad respect, imho, can ONLY COME when it's EARNED.
13. We can give an appearance of respect. We can salute; march in step; sound agreeable; even mostly do the expected thing . . . and be seething
underneath with the utmost disrespect.
14. imho, that virtually always occurs WHEN generalized, tentative, benefit-of-the-doubt levels of respect have been needlessly and hypocritically,
thoughtlessly TRASHED by the one demanding respect.
15. I guess in summary . . . yes, a generalized minimal level of respect for others as humans; for their roles; for their training; for their
positions . . . that's reasonable to expect as a given.
16. However, a higher order of respect for the unique quality of a particular person in the context of a particular relationship--not only MUST THAT
BE EARNED--IT CAN
ONLY BE EARNED. IT *CANNOT* BE DEMANDED. It cannot be a "command performance." It will not work
17. That would be like the !COMMAND!: BE SPONTANEOUS! Doesn't work that way.
18. Now to the paradoxical absurdity of the below . . .
In the Millennium Declaration, Member States stated that they would spare no effort to promote democracy and strengthen the rule of law, as well as
respect for all internationally recognized human rights and fundamental freedoms. In so doing, they recognized that while freedom from want and fear
are essential they are not enough. All human beings have the right to be treated with dignity and respect.
This was foisted on the world as a grand social manipulation charade, deception, farce.
The people who composed that are the very people who are literally hell-bent on genocidally murdering 6 BILLION 800 MILLION PEOPLE in order to reduce
the global population down to 200 million to insure that their serfs and slaves will be easier to control and won't threaten mankind with pollution
etc. that the elites are too greedy to pay for dealing with technologically.
I've never thought of genocidal murder as an act of respecting human rights nor individuals nor anything sane.