Ancient Indian religous artifact bears striking resemblence to a representation of a black hole. , page 1
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Topic started on 9-2-2012 @ 08:36 PM by openminded2011
I first happened upon this number of years ago while at the Smithsonian in Washington, it was part of an exhibit of Tibetan artifacts A strange object at the end of a staff. I thought the shape was very unusual as it didn't seem to resemble anything I had ever seen. I researched it and after a while, identified it as a Vajra, which means "diamond thunderbolt" The essence of diamond, which is indestructible, and the thunderbolt, which is irresistible force. In Buddhism it is a symbol of "ultimate reality" sometimes also "emptiness" In the Rigveda, it is mentioned as the chief weapon of the God Indri, used to kill the ignorant and sinners, and was given to him by Tvastar, the Creator of the Universe. So in essence it is a symbol of an indestructible irresistible force. Here is a picture of the object



I was studying Buddhist philosophy on and off at the time. I am also a long time Amateur astronomer and very interested in cosmology. Looking at the object, it seemed familiar to me. Then one day looking through some images from the Hubble space telescope, I came upon this picture of Centaurus A also known as NGC 5128 a galaxy known to contain a massive black hole at its center.:




The basic structure is intriguing as it is a black hole at the center of this galaxy with two lobed shaped jets on either end of the polar axis. I cannot help but think there is a similarity to this with the Vajra. But what really is interesting, is when you link what the Vajra symbolizes, namely an indestructible irresistible force, that's a pretty good description of what a black hole is. To ancient people the best analogy of something indestructible would be the diamond. And the most powerful cosmic force in ancient times would have to be the thunderbolt. Not only black holes can have lobes like this, the Eta Carina nebula is another good example:



Eta Carina is thought to be in the precursor stages of a massive explosion, which will result in the 100 solar mass star becoming a black hole. So again, something that structurally resembles the Vajra if you imagine a sun with two lobes on either side.

Looking at the central portion of the Vajra really reminded me of some schematics I had seen of black holes on various physics sites, here is a good one:




I think this is a very old 3 dimensional representation of a black hole. The question is, if it is, where did the knowledge of a black hole come from in a time before science as we know it?

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reply posted on 9-2-2012 @ 08:38 PM by Glargod
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???? black hole indeed :/

______ one hour later

Thank god the black hole brought you back.. It'll be my pleasure to read your post


edit on 9-2-2012 by Glargod because: Update, there was a blank post and then there was a full post.. the wonders eh



reply posted on 9-2-2012 @ 09:44 PM by openminded2011
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Maybe so, but I find it intriguing that an object meant to symbolize an indestructible irresistible force, just happens to resemble a black hole which are arguably, the ultimate indestructible irresistible force.
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reply posted on 9-2-2012 @ 09:54 PM by openminded2011
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Sorry, I must have posted in the comedy thread. I thought this was the ancient civilizations lost civilization thread.


reply posted on 9-2-2012 @ 09:58 PM by Hanslune
Originally posted by openminded2011
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Sorry, I must have posted in the comedy thread. I thought this was the ancient civilizations lost civilization thread.


Posting in the comedy thread might have worked a bit better....lol

I would suggest you read up on the basics of Buddhism and what the Varja is and what it means when associated with the Dri bul.



reply posted on 9-2-2012 @ 10:05 PM by libertytoall
So in 3000 years are people going to look back at us if they ever find a dumbbell of ours and think to themselves "black hole" ?





The fact is it could be anything from a blackhole to a butt plug
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reply posted on 10-2-2012 @ 05:52 AM by Astyanax
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It also looks very similar to the thunderbolt that Zeus carried.

And that is precisely what it is meant to represent: a thunderbolt wielded as a weapon by Indra, the king of the Hindu Vedic gods, who was the Indian equivalent of the Greek Zeus.

Vajra or vajira means both thunderbolt and diamond in Sanskrit.

In Tantric Buddhism, the vajra is the symbol of sudden, profound and shocking enlightenment – the kind that destroys to create. It is associated with the Tantric discipline of vajrayana, the so-called 'diamond path' to enlightenment. Essentially, vajrayana consists of deliberate, wildly excessive self-indulgence in pleasure and the breaking of all moral precepts and social taboos up to and including the one against taking human life. This is done in order to surfeit the self with worldly things so that it will finally sicken and reject them, at which point enlightenment is said to come like a thunderbolt – hence the name.

Obviously it doesn't look anything like a black hole.

These things are pretty common, you know. One of my friends keeps an old brass one on his coffee table. Buddhists with a taste for the occult (or the macabre) often use them as amulets.
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