DHS identifies terrorists in new report: the American people. , page 1

The Department of Homeland Security just released a report titled "Hot Spots of Terrorism and Other Crimes in the United States, 1970 to 2008".

This is a report about terrorism so one would assume that it might deal with those who are generally perceived to be associated with terrorism, Muslims right? Wrong. There is no mention of the word "Muslim" and "Islam" is only mentioned once alongside of Jews and Christians:

Religious: groups that seek to smite the purported enemies of God and other evildoers, impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists), forcibly insert religion into the political sphere (e.g., those who seek to politicize religion, such as Christian Reconstructionists and Islamists), and/or bring about Armageddon (apocalyptic millenarian cults; 2010: 17) For example, Jewish Direct Action, Mormon extremist, Jamaat-al-Fuqra, and Covenant, Sword and the Arm of the Lord (CSA) are included in this category (2011: 18).

Lets see who else might be a terrorist. Well on the Right, it would be the following:

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that subscribe to aspects of the following ideals: they are fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority, reverent of individual liberty (especially their right to own guns, be free of taxes), believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty and a belief that one’s personal and/or national “way of life” is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (sometimes such beliefs are amorphous and vague, but for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism. (2011: 26)

So if you believe in freedom, think the government has gotten too big, think taxes are too high, believe in the autonomy of your own country or believe conspiracy theories, you may be a terrorist. This would include Tea Party members, Ron Paul supporters, general Republican ideals and with regards to "conspiracy theories", ATS members.

How about on the Left:

Extreme Left-Wing: groups that want to bring about change through violent revolution rather than through established political processes. This category also includes secular left-wing groups that rely heavily on terrorism to overthrow the capitalist system and either establish “a dictatorship of the proletariat” (Marxist-Leninists) or, much more rarely, a decentralized, non-hierarchical political system (anarchists). (2011: 24)

To me this sounds like an attempt to vilify the Occupy Wall Street movement and their criticism of capitalism. There are probably many on the Left (and Right) who also dont agree with our current political system.

There you have it. The biggest threat to the government are the American people. Ideals of freedom, a smaller government, a more fair economic and political system.

Thankfully our government has enacted the Patriot Act, rolled out the the TSA VIPER teams and now the NDAA. So if any of us so called "terrorists" get too uppity, we can now legally be rounded up by the military without rights or due process.

I sincerely hope that people wake up to whats going on in America. You would think that the politicians would be outraged! But no, there is only one man talking about this: Ron Paul. That once we lose our liberties, we NEVER get them back. We have one chance here to undue a lot of the damage. Please stand up now before it becomes illegal to do so...

reply to post by gunshooter

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Big brother is scared out of its mind.

Originally posted by gladtobehere
To me this sounds like an attempt to vilify the Occupy Wall Street movement and their criticism of capitalism.

It's not. Left wing terrorists have been blowing things up since before the Occupiers were born. As much as the Occupy clowns like to imagine that they invented their schtick, they did not. They're just repeating history (this time as farce).

Thankfully our government has enacted the Patriot Act, rolled out the the TSA VIPER teams and now the NDAA. So if any of us so called "terrorists" get too uppity, we can now legally be rounded up by the military without rights or due process.

No, the NDAA assures due process; more than existed in the US Code before the NDAA anyway. And it only applies to persons detained under AUMF authority, which means Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that subscribe to aspects of the following ideals: they are fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority, reverent of individual liberty (especially their right to own guns, be free of taxes), believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty and a belief that one’s personal and/or national “way of life” is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (sometimes such beliefs are amorphous and vague, but for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism. (2011: 26)

Gee... how far fetched
abcnews.go.com...

This would include Tea Party members, Ron Paul supporters, general Republican ideals and with regards to "conspiracy theories", ATS members.

Hardly, Ron Paul and Tea Party people are hardly considered extreme right wing or religious groups.

To me this sounds like an attempt to vilify the Occupy Wall Street movement and their criticism of capitalism. There are probably many on the Left (and Right) who also dont agree with our current political system.

I guess you forgot that one part.

Extreme Left-Wing: groups that want to bring about change through violent revolution rather than through established political processes.

I don't see OWS advocating a violent revolution

Ron Paul. That once we lose our liberties, we NEVER get them back.

That is just not true in 1798 John adams signed a law saying you could be arrested for "malicious writing" about the government or government officials. Last i checked nobody has been arrested for that because in 1802 it was done away with.
The again in 1918 but then it extended to talking about the flag,country and armed forces and it was repealed in 1920.

reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli

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Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
No, the NDAA assures due process; more than existed in the US Code before the NDAA anyway. And it only applies to persons detained under AUMF authority, which means Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Absolutely incorrect.

The NDAA allows indefinite detentions of American citizens, "suspected of aiding terrorism" in the US by the military indefinitely, incommunicado, without habes corpus.

Which means whomever they deem to be an "enemy combatant", a very ambiguous term by design. According to the OP, it could be almost any citizen.

This was previously done under Bush but was never "legalized". Obama has signed it into law.

(CBS News) The White House is signing off on a controversial new law that would authorize the U.S. military to arrest and indefinitely detain alleged al Qaeda members or other terrorist operatives captured on American soil.

"By signing this defense spending bill, President Obama will go down in history as the president who enshrined indefinite detention without trial in U.S. law," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. "In the past, Obama has lauded the importance of being on the right side of history, but today he is definitely on the wrong side."

"If President Obama signs this bill, it will damage both his legacy and American's reputation for upholding the rule of law," said Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. "The last time Congress passed indefinite detention legislation was during the McCarthy era, and President Truman had the courage to veto that bill."

www.cbsnews.com...

Here McCain wont even answer the question:

reply to post by gladtobehere

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they are fiercely nationalistic

Almost everyone worldwide.

anti-global

Anyone with a brain who understands what ``globalism`` is really about.

suspicious of centralized federal authority

Anyone who ever read a history book.

reverent of individual liberty (especially their right to own guns, be free of taxes

Everyone.

believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty

Anyone who takes the time to look into the government ``official stories`` of events.

and/or personal liberty and a belief that one’s personal and/or national “way of life” is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (sometimes such beliefs are amorphous and vague, but for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group)

Anyone who reads the news...

and a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism. (2011: 26)

Anyone who isn't a fool.

groups that want to bring about change through violent revolution rather than through established political processes.

Established political processes? You mean election fraud and bribes?

This category also includes secular left-wing groups that rely heavily on terrorism to overthrow the capitalist system

Well this doesn't apply since America ain't a capitalist system, it's a fascist system.

or, much more rarely, a decentralized, non-hierarchical political system (anarchists). (2011: 24)

How dare people don't want a big big big government controlling their lives from birth to grave!

So basically, DHS has made the whole world terrorists. The only ones who are not terrorists are the boot licking goons who will follow any order the government gives them and have an IQ below 80.

reply to post by JoshF

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The government, both Republicans and Democrats, are afraid of the American people.

People who are nationalistic, who want a smaller federal government, lower taxes, believe in the 2nd Amendment, "believe in conspiracy theories", who are worried about their individual liberties are suspected terrorists.

9/11 aside, people have doubted official government stories since the JFK assassination. Its difficult to find one person who believes the government to be trustworthy. No one has to "believe” in the 2nd amendment, its a right. Seems clear that the government is afraid of average Americans who pose a threat to their centralized power. In a 37 report page on terrorism, Muslims are not mentioned and Islam is mentioned once.

Originally posted by JoshF
Hardly, Ron Paul and Tea Party people are hardly considered extreme right wing or religious groups.

Wrong.

FBI warns of threat from anti-government extremists

The extremists may refuse to pay taxes...believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard.

Ron Paul who is a Medical Doctor by training and a self taught economist, entered politics because Nixon removed the US from the gold standard. Nixon did it to fund the Vietnam war. Ron Paul said it would be the this action that leads us to financial collapse. In 1971, gold was $35/ounce, its now almost $1800/ounce and our debt is fast approaching $16 Trillion.

Its a fact that decoupling the dollar from gold has led the US on a path to bankruptcy, that politicians were no longer required to be fiscally responsible, and now the Feds are labeling those with this view as "extremists".

In-case you haven't heard, Ron Paul wants to dissolve the IRS.

So yes, Ron Paul is a direct threat to the establishment.

Originally posted by JoshF

Extreme Left-Wing: groups that want to bring about change through violent revolution rather than through established political processes.

I don't see OWS advocating a violent revolution

But you do see violent confrontations which have been blamed on the OWS-ers and yes they want change, we all do. They do not see "the established political process" as an avenue for that change.

Originally posted by JoshF
That is just not true in 1798 John adams signed a law saying you could be arrested for "malicious writing" about the government or government officials. Last i checked nobody has been arrested for that because in 1802 it was done away with.

Youre correct, but only the Sedition Act had an expiration date. The Alien and Sedition Acts were overturned but it took a Civil War to do it.

reply to post by gladtobehere

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Bravo, good sir. One of the best forum comments I've ever read.

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