UFOs—the fastest sightings

they can travel really fast that's for sure have seen a few move extremely fast in the sky

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I wonder what one would experience if all of the radar cases were made as a documentary with all of the excited comments of the equipment operators. It would probably sound like the recent football games.

Originally posted by thesearchfortruth

These twenty cases are CEARTAINLY not the only cases involving high speed UFOs. In the nicap database there are litterally hundreds of UFOs that flew off at ‘incredible’ or ‘tremendous’ speed.

Thesearchfortruth, great thread and many thanks for compiling these 20 cases - the UFO forum could certainly do with a 'radar confirmation' thread and some of the incidents are very puzzling indeed, especialy when you realise that, in many cases, these objects are being plotted, tracked and correlated on radar screens in the same area of sky as being reported by eye-witnesses -the reported rates of speed and flight characteristics are also pretty darn intriguing and there's some relevant statements about the subject below:

"Here we had a number of object seen coming in across the North Sea on coastal radar. It looked like a Russian mistake. Jet aircraft were scrambled. The objects were travelling at quite impossible speeds like 4-5000 mph and then came to an abrupt halt near to one of these stations not very high up. Jet aircraft picked them up on aircraft radar. The objects then simply made rings round them."
Ralph Noyes,Senior Official with British Air Ministry - retired as Under Secretary of State in 1977




"During the 1955 Warsaw Pact exercises, a radar station in the area of Warsaw recognized two targets over the Gulf of Gdansk. The targets were moving at a speed of 2,300 km/h at an altitude of 20 thousand meters. In those days there was no aircraft with such performance. At one point it was noticed that the two objects did a 90 degrees turn, literally on the spot with no turning radius. This maneuver at such high speeds cannot be done. Most modern aircraft are unable to do so even today, and that was 50 years ago".
Colonel Ryszard Grundmanem - Former Head of Poland's 'Air Traffic, Air Force and Air Defense'




“What I saw defied all logic and was, quite frankly, extraordinary. It wasn’t just me, more than 30 pairs of eyes of RAF staff and radar operators at Heathrow Airport witnessed the same thing. I instantly knew this wasn’t a convoy of military planes -the only craft with that rate of climb were supersonic lightning aircraft but they wouldn’t have been able to hold such a perfect formation".
RAF Wing Commander Alan Turner (MBE).




"There is no other conclusion I can reach but that for six hours on the morning of the 20th of July, 1952 there were at least ten unidentifiable objects moving above Washington....I can safely deduce that they performed gyrations which no known aircraft could perform. By this I mean that our scope showed that they could make right angle turrns and complete reversals of flight".
Senior Air Route Traffic Controller Harry Barnes




"When you have the view of the airspace and the radar screen and you see the UFOs go around twenty or thirty miles a second – that is very real. They can turn suddenly almost 90 degrees in a second or half a second. The UFOs can go vertically straight up very quickly."
Mexico City Senior Air Traffic Controller, Enrique Kolbeck




"We had objects with four-way confirmation – ground visual, ground radar, airborne visual, airborne radar. It doesn’t get any better than that. In my following of unusual aerial phenomena for the past 50 years, there seems to be some reason to discredit very viable and very reputable witnesses when they say something is unidentified."
US Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown




“On several occasions the instruments gave reading of material objects moving at incredible speed. Calculations showed speeds of about 230 knots, of 400 kph. Speeding so fast is a challenge even on the surface. But water resistance is much higher. It was like the objects defied the laws of physics. There’s only one explanation: the creatures who built them far surpass us in development".
Russian Naval Rear Admiral Yury Beketov




"Of these UFO reports,the radar/visual reports are the most convincing. When a ground radar picks up a UFO target and a ground observer sees a light where the radar target is located,then a jet interceptor is scrambled to intercept the UFO and the pilot also sees the lights and gets a radar lock only to have the UFO almost impudently outdistance him,there is no simple answer."
Edward J Ruppelt USAF Capt 1956




According to worthy information of faith, in our atmosphere objects arrive at high speed. No aircraft, neither in the United States, either in the Soviet Union is currently able to achieve the speed attributed to these objects from the radars and from the observatories.
Admiral S. Fahrney,head missile testing of the American Navy

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Cheers.

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Thesearchfortrut, here's an interesting case which may have the distinction of being the first ever radar correlated UFO case - Tifozi has done some great work on this one.

Fukuoka, Japan, October 15, 1948


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In his book The Report on the Unidentified Flying Objects (Link), 1955, Captain Ed Ruppelt, who was the head of Project Blue Book when it began, wrote:

On October 15 [1948] an F-61, a World War II "Black Widow" night fighter was on patrol over Japan when it picked up an unidentified target on its radar. The target was flying between 5,000 and 6,000 feet and traveling about 200 miles per hour. When the F-61 tried to intercept it would get to within 12,000 feet of the UFO only to have it accelerate to an estimated 1,200 miles per hour, leaving the F-61 far behind before slowing down again. The F-61 crew made six attempts to close on the UFO. On one pass, the crew said, they did get close enough to see its silhouette. It was 20 to 30 feet long and looked "like a rifle bullet."

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Thanks for the reply Karl, and the case.

I wasn't even aware that case existed!

IMO, this is the most interesting part of the case:

When the F-61 approached within 12,000 feet, the target executed a 180-degree turn and dived under the F-61.

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You come across as extremely condescending. You would be surprised at the large number of members of this website that have an engineering background and who have perhaps done work involving radar. The concepts surrounding radar are explainable to the layman, if only the person doing the explaining can check their ego at the door.

It is simple: a signal is emitted, a signal is received later. The signal received may contain anywhere from no echoes (spikes) to several. To determine which if any echoes are true representations of objects is another matter where successive returns can be looked at over time and objects fitting a profile (loosely bounded by maximum acceleration) can be flagged as "objects" with a higher degree of confidence than those objects that may spuriously show up in one return and not another.

Those objects have the possible interpretation of something extremely fast or merely a glitch or anomaly that can be explained in some other mundane way.

There is a wide range of possible speeds that can be tracked well within the parameters of high confidence,

It would be a display of ignorance to declare a return as spurious merely because the speed or accelerations reported exceed expectations. The only way to be sure is to looking at the raw data.

But with that said, if that data wasn't available, one can also put some degree of confidence on testimony from the operators who one must presume, have training and experience with the equipment and are used to mentally filtering any glitches or spurious returns that may occur during day to day use, and one should hope, they also understand how radar works. Heck even COPS are trained to understand how radar works.

-rrr

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Good idea for a thread.

Don't forget the 1976 Tehran incident. Jafari flew all the way here from Iran in late '07 to tell his story. He called the thing so fast he didn't consider it pure speed so much as "jumping."

I know they had a UFO hunters episode featuring the incident so I'm assuming they made some rough guesses on speed and it was in excess of 40,000 mph.

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One more thing: Some of the cases in here are chosen because of what time period they are in. For example, I will be more likely to include a UFO observed traveling 3,000 miles an hour in the 1950s then I will a 3,500 mile per hour UFO observed in the 1990s.

That's still damn impressive...to give an idea, that's just over Mach 5 people...which would pretty much outrun any missiles shot at it.

So, even seeing something going Mach 5 today is pretty impressive and worthy of a "What the heck was that thing?"

Originally posted by thesearchfortruth

When the F-61 approached within 12,000 feet, the target executed a 180-degree turn and dived under the F-61.

Thesearchfortruth, those certainly are some impressive flight characteristics my friend, here's another very interesting radar/visual case taken from Jerome Clark's book 'The Phenomenon from the Beginning' and listed on Bernard Haisch's excellent website 'UFO Sceptic' -there's also some additional eyewitness testimony from the Watch Tower Guard shown on this page.

Ocala Radar-Visual Case

Pinecastle Electronic Warfare Range Tracking Station, a restricted facility operated by the U.S. Navy 32 miles east-southeast of Ocala, Florida (in the north central part of the state) was the site of a puzzling, still-unexplained UFO incident late on the evening of Sunday, May 14, 1978.

The incident began with a phone call from a civilian. At about 10:05 p.m., she called from nearby Silver Glen Springs to ask if the installation was shooting off flares. She had just seen something that looked like a flare. The duty officer, SK-1 Robert Clark, assured her no such operation was going on at that moment. A second call came a few minutes later. A man, later identified as Rocky Morgan, said that he and seven other persons traveling on Highway 19 near Silver Glen Springs had just seen an oblong-shaped flying object, some 50 to 60 feet in diameter and "almost the color of the moon," pass over the top of his car. It had a flashing light which was intensely bright at its center.

Clark checked with the Jacksonville Air Route Traffic Control Center, which told him no aircraft were in the area. He and the base air controller, Gary Collison, climbed up an observation tower next to a van containing the base's radar equipment. Clark contacted external security and directed them to contact TD-2 Timothy Collins, a radar technician. Collins rushed to the tower. The personnel already there were watching a cluster of glowing lights off to the west-northwest. They were at eye-level and seemed to be just above an old Civil Defense tower three miles away. Even though it was a clear, quiet night, the witnesses heard no noise emanating from the lights, which apparently were attached to a single object.

After watching them through binoculars, Collins went down to warm up the track radar, which took five minutes, and the acquisition radar, which took 20 minutes. As he waited, he looked for the object with a periscope on the van and saw it again. At around 11:20 radar locked on to the target. The object was located at 0.2 degrees elevation, or just a hundred or so feet off the ground, at the assumed distance:"treetop level," Collins would say. Its image on radar was "as strong [as] or stronger than" the image of the tower. The object seemed to be the size of a jetliner.

Ten to 15 minutes later it abruptly vanished from both sight and radar. But at around 11:40 the same or a similar object appeared 15 degrees to the north. Collins located it visually, but the second, computer-assisted radar did not track it for some reason. He also saw it through the periscope. A few minutes later it disappeared suddenly from both instrumented and visual observation.

Around midnight it or another object was seen three miles to the northwest. For five seconds it moved at more than 500 knots on a course, then accelerated for two seconds, and executed a hairpin turn in one second. When it made that turn, it was 15 miles south of the base, which meant it had covered 15 miles in seven seconds; most of that distance was covered in the last two seconds (a speed of 7700 mph is required to cover this distance in that time). The turn was a radical reversal of direction; now the UFO was shooting northward and toward the observers at the base. Its speed had slowed almost instantaneously to a mere two knots. It was at this point that Collins's radar locked on to it. After a little more than a minute, the object vanished. The sighting was over.

A dozen or so personnel had seen the object or objects. One of them, TD-AA Carol Snyder, told a newspaper reporter, "We saw three very blurry lights: red, white, and green. We watched them for about 30 minutes. We couldn't see how fast they were traveling. We were holding the binoculars, and the lights appeared to be bouncing,"

The Navy conducted an investigation out of the Jacksonville center but came to no conclusions. Allan Hendry of the Center for UFO Studies interviewed several of the witnesses and gathered radar, meteorological, and astronomical data. He considered, then rejected, various prosaic alternatives before declaring this a CUFOS case of "high merit."

UFO Sceptic

Cheers.

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I find it really interesting reading this report that flashing lights (similar to conventional aircraft) was seen by the witnesses & that the radar confirmed that it was the size similar to that of a Jetliner.

I can see from the report that this object showed characteristics that a normal jet would not be able to perform.

Many sightings seen now days are so quick to be debunked because of these factors, pushed to the side as misidentified.

Just goes to show that sometimes when something looks conventional that it may very well be just the opposite.

Fascinating cases here and in todays age, it's easy to say that some high speed cases are top secret military craft, however, considering that these sightings are from the past 50-60 years, no terrestrial aircraft was anywhere near that kind of performance. It's also clear to see that not all can be operator error and after accepting all that, I would definitely say we've had "visitors" in our airspace quite regularly.

Additionally, if the performance of these crafts was like that then, what the hell is it like now? Where do you go once you've broken all speed limitations?

Originally posted by Mark_Frost
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I can see from the report that this object showed characteristics that a normal jet would not be able to perform.

Hey Mark, considering the information in the case is correct then you're certainly right about that -some of radar/visual UFO reports seem to show objects performing maneuvers that have utter contempt for the known laws of aeronautics and I suppose those are the ones we should be focusing on.

Below is some info about radar cases taken from 'The TRUE report on Flying Saucers' and the author makes some interesting comments about intricate flight characteristics and rates of speed, there's also a pretty mindboggling account here from Major Edwin Jerome about an object being plotted on two radar screens travelling approximately 9000mph.

In 1952, the Director of AF Intelligence admitted more than 300 cases of radar tracking and visual sightings confirmed by radar. In the ensuing years, there have been at least 2,000 additional radar cases in the U.S. alone. Reports have come from expert operators in the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, the Federal Aviation Agency (formerly the CAA) and pilots or radar operators of almost all the major airlines. The same situation exists in foreign countries.
Not only has radar proved UFO reality, it has accurately recorded the high UFO speeds, intricate maneuvers, precise UFO formations- including changes from one formation to another-and other important data which make it possible to evaluate UFO operations and help in the search for propulsion secrets.

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Cheers.

You have to wonder how fast those 4 to 5 mile long motherships travel.
The cigar types.

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Hey mate, here's another interesting radar case from Redmond, Oregon on September 24th, 1959 -it also comes with probably one of the most preposterous USAF UFO explanations of all time (more info at link).

Witnesses were still watching the hovering object when the jets roared over Redmond. As the aircraft approached,the object squelched its "tongues of flame",emitted a fiery exhaust,shot up into the air at an incredible speed,and disappeared into the clouds at fourteen thousand feet.

It was so close to the path of the jets that one of the pilots swerved to avoid hitting it. Another jet,caught in the turbulence of the tremendous exhaust,nearly lost control.One pilot,using gunsight radar,continued the chase,but the object abruptly changed course-an event that was tracked on radar at Klamath Falls Ground Control Intercept -and the pilot gave up.

For two hours afterward,the unknown object continued to register on radar,performing high-speed maneuvers at altitudes between six thousand and fifty-four thousand feet.

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Cheers.

The maximum speed, considered Lyne, was stated by Tesla as 300 miles per second.
I do not think the number has been tampered with by anti Tesla cartel agents who go
back a long way with Tesla starting with JP Morgan and after 1945 with US saucer
development and now follow Lyne's published findings to hide them like magic.
What does seem odd is that the number can't be verified like any of Tesla's numbers
like the voltage on the Sun. Even now with the Aurora in the news we hear nothing
from any modern day Tesla to publish numbers on electrical behavior. Agents have
taken down patents and links to Tesla FBI Files and Los Alamos wooden Tesla coil
forms from reading "Pentagon Aliens" even though the book had nothing on Aliens
which didn't fool the anti Tesla cartel agents of the .01% controlling the Tesla ships
and the rest of his science. Doctoring Tesla news reports may have occurred way
before Lyne started to notice evidence and has mentioned a few past deeds.

Sigh Tesla pops up everywhere.

There is another clever way to calculate the speed from some witness sightings. Some witnesses have stated that when UFOs have moved it looked like a streak or line across the sky, it means the light hits the eye so quickly from each point that the brain and the rods in the eye have not time to 'de-excite' and it results in an optical illusion much as the way we see a movie screen.

There are no natural objects that can do that can leave a streak like that on your eye, except for perhaps very bright objects.

Why does this report impress me so much when I hear about it? Because I don't think many regular people would have the intelligence and knowledge to make up such a fact.