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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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they are the "elites" i was referring too....


Ohh .. a conspicuous group of interrelated individuals who conspire in an unknown way for a unified goal of "control" through nefarious means who are responsible for all Worldly events.

Well slap me silly and call me Illuminati! Why oh why did I spend four years studying history, economics and international relations? I mean I studied all these complex models, theories, explanations, dull writings, histories and events. And it turns out I didn't need any of that. My professors should have just said "Some fat $!@$ in a room far, far away dictates everything. The end, class dismissed."

The reality however.. is that the World is not "controlled" by anyone.. it's not planned, it's not premeditated, it's not guided by any secret cabal of "ancient bloodlines". It's chaos.

And rich people, I can tell you through experience... usually hate other rich people. They're usually the kind of people who have close personal friends, but outside of that they'll push you infront of a bus today, kick your corpse tomorrow, and ask you for a favor next week.

Don't get me wrong.. history is full of groups of rich folks to conspired to keep the masses down. Every once in a while the masses get pissed off and cut off their heads, burn their houses, and end their shenanigans. Today however the vast majority of super rich people are self made.. came from nothing. No ancient bloodlines, no secret conspiracy with other rich guys, just people, often with mid level intelligence, who happened to have a good idea and ran with it. When you look at world affairs and scream "NWO! Illuminati! JEWS!!?!?" you're basically saying "I don't know what the hells going on but I think a secret group musta done it!"




posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by ImaFungi
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I was trying to convey that there are groups of individuals, which make up entities, through bloodlines, or entity like bondage's to control resources, wealth, banks, systems, minds of populations, for their own conceived desires....

they are the "elites" i was referring too.... for hundreds and hundreds of years they have not had to worry about survival as a human on a planet, they have had their hearts set on more larger goals,, power, control, creating the planet in their image, etc.


So these über-secret societies, hidden as they must be by habitual stealth....how is it that they somehow allow some goof with a camcorder or an iPhone into their ultra-secret meetings to record mundane goings-on that betray their existence? Why is it that all these convoluted conspiracy theories are always felled by an in-born Achilles Heel? It's the same thing with 9/11 conspiracies. Everything's ridiculously convoluted and complex, betrayed by simple oversight's invisible to all but the hero conspiracy theorist? Smacko's Razor©, the opposite of Occam's Razor: a conspiracy theory is only believable if it's convoluted enough to put a Rube Goldberg device to shame.

Honestly!


Fitz



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by network dude
A soul that sins will die.

I only know of One man who died without sin. I think a lot of his Dad. While I have sinned some, I still feel I have the right to believe in Life after Death. So either you have never sinned, or you are destined for hell. Tell me, what is your motivation for trying to be a good person? A man destined for hell might at least try to live it up while you are here. Spending eternity on the end of a stick at the devil's weenie roast just doesn't sound like fun.


You do have the right to believe in life after death. I didn't mean to infer that you didn't. Now the Bible states very clearly that the the soul dies. The teaching that it is immortal is not a Biblical teaching. If you believe in the Bible (and many people don't) then the teachings of Freemasonry are not compatible.

Now that you asked me these sincere questions I will take the time to answer them briefly.

Firstly, a fiery hell is a pagan teaching that stems from ancient Babylon* and not found in the Bible. The Bible uses the word Hades and Sheol in many places where that word in translated in certain Bibles as hell, and in Hebrew it simply means the pit, or common grave.

The Biblical teaching is not that of an immortal soul that cannot die, but rather that we do indeed die. In fact it likens death to a deep sleep. It shows that we do not think or have wisdom, or anything while we are asleep in death. It is like to sleep in that Jehovah God has power over death, and he has given the keys to death to his son Jesus. It also teaches that when Jesus comes in kingdom power to rule over mankind during the thousand year reign, that all those now asleep in death will be raised back to life in a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous:

(John 5:28-29) . . .Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out. . .

Just as because in sin we are all dying, the ransom price has been paid by the perfect life of Jesus. Thus excersicing faith in that ransom a person can attain everlasting life. Just as when the Israelite in the wilderness who was bite by the poisonous snake was able to turn to the copper serpent and look on it and keep living, so too, all who have received the sting of sin may look to Jesus' ransom sacrifice and thus keep living.

So I believe in a resurrection. I try to do what is right because that is what I should be doing to please my heavenly Father. I do know also, since I serve the true God and exercise faith in Jesus' ransom if I do die I will live again.

Before Jesus came to earth only one person had immortality, that is deathlessness, the inability to die, and that was Jehovah God himself. No one can take his life from him, and he can never die. He did not give this awesome gift to anyone else. Only, after Jesus proved himself faithful under test while on earth and died faithfully as a perfect human, was he resurrected a superior spirit with an immortal spirit body.

Likewise, all the called and chosen who are bought from among mankind to reign in heaven with Jesus as beings just as he is will also be given this awesome gift:


(1 Corinthians 15:50-55) . . .However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when [this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and] this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written: “Death is swallowed up forever.”

This gift is not given to any other spirit creature. And humans that will be granted forgiveness of their sins and that will be brought back to perfection during the thousand year reign will, although living forever, still be mortal. There is a difference between having everlasting life, and immortality. One you live without dying. Certainly the angels have everlasting life. Satan and his demons had it before they fell. Yet they are destined to be destroyed. Another thing it is to have immortality. Being immortal is the impossibility of ever dying. The former your life depends on an outside force to continue. The prior, immortality the person, the life force, as God himself, has life within himself and will depend on nothing else to continue in existence, and will never be able to die again.

The teaching of an inherit immortal soul is Babylonian teaching and a lie spawned by the wicked father of the lie Satan the Devil. All institutions that propagate the lie is false and leads to no enlightenment.
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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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honey, its not some loose fraternity....the goal is world socialism. Its as far from freedom as you can get. look into the commonalities of these outwardly benign groups. Liberty? Fraternity? Equality? Yes, it is all possible in Socialist/Humanist Utopia.

Too bad that ends up wasting human lives that dont conform. Do you think the Holy C had these same allegations brought against them? You betcha! is Illumination the guiding force behind Politics today? Well yes! So much for separation of Church and State!

wheres your humility? Im giving most masons the benefit of the doubt here...one brother does not speak for another, let alone the whole Lodge!
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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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Why are people in this thread so crazy? I seriously cannot determine what it is your actually saying.



honey, its not some loose fraternity....the goal is world socialism. Its as far from freedom as you can get. look into the commonalities of these outwardly benign groups. Liberty? Fraternity? Equality? Yes, it is all possible in Socialist/Humanist Utopia.


So.. and I'm simply following the formation of your sentence.. you're saying that all these groups, known and unknown, are connected because of Liberty, Fraternity, and Equality? And that they all want Socialism ..?



Too bad that ends up wasting human lives that dont conform. Do you think the Holy C had these same allegations brought against them? You betcha! is Illumination the guiding force behind Politics today? Well yes! So much for separation of Church and State!


So.. you're saying Socialism is bad because it waste lives (?) and the Church made the same allegation (?) against them (?) And that because governments are Socialistic they are inline with the Church? (???)



wheres your humility?


You'll learn if you ever see me .. um .. anywhere on ATS... I have no Humility. Though I never presume to speak for all Masons here, their opinions are worth just as much as mine own.




posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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Ohh .. a conspicuous group of interrelated individuals who conspire in an unknown way for a unified goal of "control" through nefarious means who are responsible for all Worldly events.


Its not unknown. Its Socialism via Democracy.


Well slap me silly and call me Illuminati! Why oh why did I spend four years studying history, economics and international relations? I mean I studied all these complex models, theories, explanations, dull writings, histories and events. And it turns out I didn't need any of that. My professors should have just said "Some fat $!@$ in a room far, far away dictates everything. The end, class dismissed."


If you are talking about higher education, please tell me about the virtues of Prussian Education.


The reality however.. is that the World is not "controlled" by anyone.. it's not planned, it's not premeditated, it's not guided by any secret cabal of "ancient bloodlines". It's chaos.


its your world....


And rich people, I can tell you through experience... usually hate other rich people. They're usually the kind of people who have close personal friends, but outside of that they'll push you infront of a bus today, kick your corpse tomorrow, and ask you for a favor next week.


This is just human greed. No secret society needed.


Don't get me wrong.. history is full of groups of rich folks to conspired to keep the masses down. Every once in a while the masses get pissed off and cut off their heads, burn their houses, and end their shenanigans. Today however the vast majority of super rich people are self made.. came from nothing. No ancient bloodlines, no secret conspiracy with other rich guys, just people, often with mid level intelligence, who happened to have a good idea and ran with it. When you look at world affairs and scream "NWO! Illuminati! JEWS!!?!?" you're basically saying "I don't know what the hells going on but I think a secret group musta done it!"


Well, many have been named. What part of "hidden in plain sight" confuses you? I will yield that none of this is possible without the profanes voluntary consent.

I suspect we believe that the world operates in completely different ways. you seem to think is is chaos. Im saying the chaos is planned, but not by gods, by men.

you guys will get to know me pretty well, im looking forward to the dialog.
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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
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they are the "elites" i was referring too....


Ohh .. a conspicuous group of interrelated individuals who conspire in an unknown way for a unified goal of "control" through nefarious means who are responsible for all Worldly events.

Well slap me silly and call me Illuminati! Why oh why did I spend four years studying history, economics and international relations? I mean I studied all these complex models, theories, explanations, dull writings, histories and events. And it turns out I didn't need any of that. My professors should have just said "Some fat $!@$ in a room far, far away dictates everything. The end, class dismissed."

The reality however.. is that the World is not "controlled" by anyone.. it's not planned, it's not premeditated, it's not guided by any secret cabal of "ancient bloodlines". It's chaos.

And rich people, I can tell you through experience... usually hate other rich people. They're usually the kind of people who have close personal friends, but outside of that they'll push you infront of a bus today, kick your corpse tomorrow, and ask you for a favor next week.

Don't get me wrong.. history is full of groups of rich folks to conspired to keep the masses down. Every once in a while the masses get pissed off and cut off their heads, burn their houses, and end their shenanigans. Today however the vast majority of super rich people are self made.. came from nothing. No ancient bloodlines, no secret conspiracy with other rich guys, just people, often with mid level intelligence, who happened to have a good idea and ran with it. When you look at world affairs and scream "NWO! Illuminati! JEWS!!?!?" you're basically saying "I don't know what the hells going on but I think a secret group musta done it!"


i just googled i dont know if this is realiable source,,, but its the same information that comes up everywhere you look if you follow the money, and follow the control,,it leads to very specific people who have very specific goals,,,,,www.realnews24.com...

noones in control, the systems that are established are systems of chaos, the structures of society, the direction of humanity, the progression of technology, the material consumer economic paradigm, wars,.,., all of it is an accident, or uncontrollable, you are right, there is no order, never will be, slave to chaos, might as well learn to love it,, thats the way to become free.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:25 PM
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Its not unknown. Its Socialism via Democracy.


Socialism is an eco/social model. Democracy is a Governing model. A Socialist state can be Socialist in economic policy and social policy (ie, welfare and government intervention) and be Democratic in the fact that they vote. The United States for instance is a Democratic Socialist Republic by technical terms. This describes the function of government, how the government is decided, and the architectural structure of the Nation.



If you are talking about higher education, please tell me about the virtues of Prussian Education.


Prussian Education Model is the basis of the US Public Education system. The main premises is that the Government chooses the curriculum, and attendance is mandatory. In the Us you can choose the school you go to though, or home school, attendance is still mandatory however.



This is just human greed. No secret society needed.


Yeah that's what I've been saying.



Well, many have been named. What part of "hidden in plain sight" confuses you? I will yield that none of this is possible without the profanes voluntary consent.


Everything? Because it makes no logical sense what so ever?



I suspect we believe that the world operates in completely different ways. you seem to think is is chaos. Im saying the chaos is planned, but not by gods, by men.


Whatever makes it easy for you to understand.... just try not to hate on innocent people while your trying to figure it out.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:29 PM
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I really don't see the relevance of that link at all. It lists the largest banks in the USA then lists the shareholders .. which are all corporations which in turn have shareholders. If you look at the list you will see names like "Vanguard" ... those are 401(k)'s ... gasp .. the people are majority shareholders!



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 10:35 PM
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Will there ever be a time when humans will work toward peace without war?

why do we spend so much of the peoples tax dollars on war machines, on better and bigger ways of destruction?

is there no way for humans to live in harmony without conflict? a way for humans to unite on planet earth? or is that not a goal?
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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by ImaFungi
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is there no way for humans to live in harmony without conflict? a way for humans to unite on planet earth?


Socialism.

There's your answer.


HTH
Fitz



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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that word has a bad connotation,,,., do we not have enough brain power to create a new system that works with our current knowledge, science, technology, wisdom, etc..

it doesn't need to be dreary socialism with you imagine no owning property and no freedom,.,,. but if we were all playing on the same team we could all win together ?

"thats socialism all right and i dont like the sound of it, my grandfather didnt fight and kill a bunch of dudes so we can work together and play nice and share, i dont want to have to look at mexicans as equals, i dont love love," etc. etc.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by ImaFungi
is there no way for humans to live in harmony without conflict?


Probably not. If you put two people in a room long enough they would eventually find a reason to punch the other person in the mouth.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by ImaFungi
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that word has a bad connotation,,,., do we not have enough brain power to create a new system that works with our current knowledge, science, technology, wisdom, etc..


The word has a bad connotation amongst those who use it as a shorthand for communism. There's nothing wrong with the word nor the process itself; only with those who misuse it.


Originally posted by ImaFungi
it doesn't need to be dreary socialism with you imagine no owning property and no freedom,.,,. but if we were all playing on the same team we could all win together ?


Case in point: you're making precisely the sort of syntactical error I delineated above. You should look to the Nordic countries to see whether socialism is so awful and incentive-debasing. Heard of Ikea? Nokia? Volvo?


Originally posted by ImaFungi
"thats socialism all right and i dont like the sound of it, my grandfather didnt fight and kill a bunch of dudes so we can work together and play nice and share, i dont want to have to look at mexicans as equals, i dont love love," etc. etc.


Sounds like someone needs to recognise that we either hang together or hang separately. The 1% couldn't care less about the 99% and the 1% don't much hang around on ATS. And it was precisely because there was such a disconnect between the haves and have-nots 80 years ago that your grandfather had to go and kill a bunch of dudes. Disparity has a way of creating violent reactions.

That said, we're veering rather OT for not only this thread but this entire subforum.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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Its amazing how this thread has been guided completely off topic.

Just to re-cap - The thread concerns an alleged Freemason video.

This was originally uploaded in another site.

The uploader said he took the footage himself several years ago.

He has stated that the woman is portraying ISIS. Someone whom magic is very much associated with. 'she listened to the prayers of the wealthy, maidens, aristocrats, and rulers' en.wikipedia.org...

The video was posted around the time of the superbowl. It was then promptely removed. There is plenty of speculation that Madonna was also portraying ISIS during the half-time superbowl performance which the press made a point of telling us was viewed by 111million people.

The original uploader has listed himself as a canadian resident. He also posted a Canadian site with a very specific address as his URL.

If you take this address you will also find a freemason lodge in that location. It is Mt. Elphinstone Lodge NO.130.
freemasonry.bcy.ca...
So , is it possible he could be hinting that this is the lodge where the performance happened.

There only seems to be external pictures of the lodge provided. This incident is alleged to have occured over 10years ago so the internal view could be quite different now anyway.

So is the dance as ISIS merely some sort of silly homage or in a wroldwide performance like in the superbowl is it in preparation or in the summoning of a great tradgety? Move halfway down the page linked here to see a piece on ISIS ; illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com...

(We all know the people in the video are not wearing the proper attire. We all know the woman is fully clothed. We have listened to many members claiming to be masons tell us this. We hear what you have said. You do not need to keep repeating this any longer. Thank you.)



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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The problem with us is that we have free will and self-interest, the latter will always cause some kind of conflict.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by lacrimaererum
The original uploader has listed himself as a canadian resident. He also posted a Canadian site with a very specific address as his URL.

If you take this address you will also find a freemason lodge in that location. It is Mt. Elphinstone Lodge NO.130.
freemasonry.bcy.ca...
NOT the same address. Same street, yes. Same building? No. But yes, it could be that lodge building if he shot it locally.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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socialism will lead to death of millions--it always has. this is why many take issue with "secret orders"

if you love socialism, you hate freedom for all.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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that is truely a sad sad reality you live in! I would never punch you, unless you wanted to harm me.

i feel bad for you





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