Interesting Hurricane story's and theory.

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posted on Sep, 15 2004 @ 01:53 PM
I was looking up some history on previous hurricanes when I came across this story from the National Geographic magazine. I thought this paragraph was especially interesting.

Did Hurricanes Do In the Dinosaurs?

No humans were around to make permanent records of prehistoric hurricanes. But Kerry Emanuel, professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, thinks conditions may have existed about 65 million years ago that could have spawned prehistoric hypercanes far more powerful than modern storms.

Scientists have long thought that the dinosaurs may have died after an asteroid struck the Earth and caused dramatic climate changes. Emanuel and other researchers think the asteroid could have heated the ancient oceans to as much as 50 degrees Celsius (about 120 degrees Fahrenheit).

Just shows how much we really don't have answers for yet.

posted on Sep, 15 2004 @ 03:45 PM
I think that the interesting part is after that paragraph. They are saying that maybe when the asteroid struck it heated the waters enough to cause these "hypercanes."

It's an interesting theory, maybe that's what finished off the dinasaurs after the asteroid


posted on Sep, 15 2004 @ 03:58 PM
It could literally boil/vaporise meters of water.
This is rough partial translation of article from member magazine of Finnish astronomical association. (I did it for one other forum)
Asteroid cuts huge hole through atmosphere and moment later strikes to ocean and bedrock under it. Hundred thousands cubic kilometers of rock vaporises, melts or is blown away instantly. Part of vaporised material escapes to space before hole in atmosphere closes.
Shockwave causes extremely powerfull earthquakes all around the world and in atmosphere it "flattens" everything to distance of thousand kilometer. Explosion also rises huge tsunamis with height about one kilometer.
Vaporised material creates huge fireball which rises/spreads to atmosphere and fireball's heat radiation burns everything within line of sight. Part of fireball's material rises above atmosphere and rains down in following days all over the world in form of small meteorites. This fiery meteorite shower heats up atmosphere causing ignition of everything which is compustible. Heat also vaporizes one meter layer of water from all oceans and boils couple meters more. Nitrogen and oxygen combines in heated atmosphere causing world wide acid rains.
Ash from world wide fires and dust from impact prevents sun light and heat from getting to surface causing dark and cold ice age. After dust settles carbon oxides produced by fires, methane and water vaporized in impact start extreme greenhouse effect wich in turn raises temperature much higher than it was before impact.

Actually some years ago Astronomy magazine had an article in which there was about this hypercane-theory.
It said that air pressure in those could get as low as 500 millibars, compare that to lowest air pressures in hurricanes and other storms.

Well this one is from 1995:
Wind speeds 300 m/s... that makes even tornadoes look like gentle breeze.

Hurricane From Hell

There is ample evidence of a global firestorm at the time of the Chicxulub impact. Iridium-bearing clay in the boundary layer between the Cretaceous Period (a time when dinosaurs roamed) and Tertiary Period (the subsequent geologic time frame when dinosaurs seem to have disappeared) contains soot.

The quantity and composition of the soot corresponds to the burning of at least 50 percent of the world's forests. Although Hurdle's idea that methane fires were responsible for this firestorm is plausible, there is another simpler explanation.

The Chicxulub impact would have launched millions of tons of rock into ballistic space flight. Over the following hour this debris would have re-entered the Earth's atmosphere at high speed, causing millions of brilliant "shooting stars." The radiant heat from these meteors alone would have been sufficient to ignite the trees around the world.

This idea is supported by the discovery of charcoal in tsunami deposits near the impact site. The best explanation may be that the trees were ignited by radiant heat, then swamped soon after by the waves.

The shock wave from the impact would indeed have triggered massive earthquakes in the region and indirectly triggered other earthquakes around the globe. A tsunami would have formed from the impact, which occurred in a shallow sea. The giant waves would also have been generated by the earthquakes and undersea landslides triggered by the shock wave.

"Megawaves emanating from an impact site would circuit the earth at high speeds and cause worldwide disruption in the entire ocean in a single day," Hurdle and his colleagues wrote.
So dinosaurs, if they were not consumed in a firestorm, would have had to live through a torturous sequence of events -- from the barbecue to the freezer, to a dip in acid and then a hothouse baking.

The debate continues on whether the Chicxulub impact caused the mass extinction at the end of the Cretaceous Period or whether it was one of a sequence of disasters. The Deccan Traps of India are the remnants of a massive upwelling of molten rock from deep within the Earth 65 million years ago. The toxic fumes and dust from the eruption have been put forward as a possible alternative cause of climate change that led to the extinction of the dinosaurs.

A possible link between impacts and volcanism became evident in 1974 when the Mariner 10 spacecraft flew past the innermost planet Mercury. The planet was found to be covered with impact craters like the moon. One giant impact crater on Mercury was particularly interesting. Directly opposite the impact point, on the other side of the planet (called the "antipodal point") was a region of highly disrupted terrain with no evidence of an impact. The shock waves from the impact on one side of Mercury had traveled around the surface and met simultaneously at the antipodal point to create the chaotic features. Similar features have since been detected on several moons of the giant planets.

Astronomer Duncan Steel has suggested that the same occurred with the Chicxulub impact and that the shock waves caused the Deccan Traps. Taking into account millions of years of continental drift, this region would have been at the antipodal point to Mexico at the time of the impact. Although the eruption may have contributed to the suffering, it now seems more likely that the Deccan Traps were just a consequence of the catastrophic initial event, the Chicxulub impact.
How an Asteroid Impact Causes Extinction

Hunt for Oil Leads to Crater Linked to 'Great Dying'

Your Inputs:
Distance from Impact: 1000.00 km = 621.00 miles
Projectile Diameter: 20000.00 m = 65600.00 ft = 12.42 miles
Projectile Density: 3000 kg/m3
Impact Velocity: 20.00 km/s = 12.42 miles/s
Impact Angle: 70 degrees
Target Density: 2750 kg/m3
Target Type: Crystalline Rock
Energy: Energy before atmospheric entry: 2.51e+24 Joules = 6.00e+8 MegaTons TNT

Major Global Changes:
The Earth is not strongly disturbed by the impact and loses negligible mass.
The impact does not make a noticeable change in the Earth's rotation period or the tilt of its axis.
The impact does not shift the Earth's orbit noticeably.

Crater Dimensions:
Transient Crater Diameter: 125 km = 77.8 miles
Transient Crater Depth: 44.3 km = 27.5 miles

Final Crater Diameter: 236 km = 147 miles
Final Crater Depth: 1.53 km = 0.952 miles
The crater formed is a complex crater.
The volume of the target melted or vaporized is 22400 km3 = 5360 miles3
Roughly half the melt remains in the crater , where its average thickness is 1.82 km = 1.13 miles

Thermal Radiation:
Time for maximum radiation: 13.6 seconds after impact
Visible fireball radius: 194 km = 120 miles
The fireball appears 44 times larger than the sun
Thermal Exposure: 7.65e+7 Joules/m2
Duration of Irradiation: 353 seconds
Radiant flux (relative to the sun): 217

Effects of Thermal Radiation:
Clothing ignites
Much of the body suffers third degree burns
Newspaper ignites
Plywood flames
Deciduous trees ignite
Grass ignites

Seismic Effects:
The major seismic shaking will arrive at approximately 200 seconds.
Richter Scale Magnitude: 10.5 (This is greater than any earthquake in recorded history)
Mercalli Scale Intensity at a distance of 1000 km:

VI. Felt by all, many frightened. Some heavy furniture moved; a few instances of fallen plaster. Damage slight.
VII. Damage negligible in buildings of good design and construction; slight to moderate in well-build ordinary structures; considerable damage in poorly built or badly designed structures; some chimneys broken.

The ejecta will arrive approximately 494 seconds after the impact.
Average Ejecta Thickness: 2.56 m = 8.4 ft
Mean Fragment Diameter: 3.67 mm = 0.144 inches

Air Blast:
The air blast will arrive at approximately 3030 seconds.
Peak Overpressure: 486000 Pa = 4.86 bars = 69 psi
Max wind velocity: 504 m/s = 1130 mph
Sound Intensity: 114 dB (May cause ear pain)
Damage Description:
Multistory wall-bearing buildings will collapse.
Wood frame buildings will almost completely collapse.
Multistory steel-framed office-type buildings will suffer extreme frame distortion, incipient collapse.
Highway truss bridges will collapse.
Highway girder bridges will collapse.
Glass windows will shatter.
Cars and trucks will be largely displaced and grossly distorted and will require rebuilding before use.
Up to 90 percent of trees blown down; remainder stripped of branches and leaves.

(crater size is still too small)

posted on Sep, 15 2004 @ 04:40 PM
I'm not convinced by his theory just yet... hurricanes are seasonal things, and some dinos would have lived in areas that wouldn't be much affected by them (other than, perhaps, a lot of rain.) I think the asteroid is a more convincing model, frankly.

What I've read matches what E_T posted.

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