Bishop: Obama Administration Is Telling Catholics ‘To Hell With You’

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Who said that? Birth control is preventative care. It prevents pregnancy.

Not always. In many cases it is an abortificant. The IUD .. the pill .. that Norplant ... many times these are abortificants. The woman doesn't even know she's gotten pregnant.

Abortion and artificial birth control are against the Catholic faith. PERIOD.
I disagree with their interpretation of Onanism ... but that is their right to believe it.
It is their right to have their church outreach programs follow their beliefs.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
"Practicing one's religion" just does not extend to controlling other people.

They aren't 'controlling other people'. Those people have a right not to work there if they don't want. Those people can go elsewhere and get their abortions or birth control if they want. There is no 'control' of employees .. no matter how often you say it. The only 'control' going on is anti-catholic people trying to stop Catholic church outreach programs from being Catholic.

They can drop the ridiculous excuse they use to deny preventative health care to their employees.
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It's not a 'ridiculous' excuse. It's their faith.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Oh, I will bitch when people are being stripped of their rights,

Keeeeeeeep telling yourself that. Truth is .. you are the one doing the stripping of rights here.

They are all free to practice their religion and enjoy religious freedom.

Nope. Forcing Catholic Church outreaches to go against their faith is not 'enjoying religious freedom'. Their faith says not to have anything to do with abortion or birth control .. NOTHING ...

Those employees know ahead of time that it's a CATHOLIC outreach program ... so for them to chose to go work in that outreach and then whine that they don't get free abortions - which are against the Catholic faith - is absolutely ABSURD. They are idiots.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Please explain how the primary effect of this law inhibits religion. How does insurance companies providing preventative care to women inhibit religion?

Already did that. Many times in many threads.

THIS IS THE US LAW - it protects everyones right to practice their faith -

First Amendment to the US Constitution

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

EXACT TEXT

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This is the Catholic faith - it says they can't participate IN ANY MANNER - which includes helping others to have abortions or abortificants or birth control.

Church law - Catechism of the Catholic Church - Part three, section two, chapter two

Catholic teaching on abortion/birth control

In Humanae Vitae, Pope Paul VI stated, "[W]e must once again declare that the direct interruption of the generative process already begun, and, above all, directly willed and procured abortion, even if for therapeutic reasons, are to be absolutely excluded as licit means of regulating birth. Equally to be excluded, as the teaching authority of the Church has frequently declared, is direct sterilization, whether perpetual or temporary, whether of the man or of the woman. Similarly excluded is every action which, either in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" (HV 14).

This was reiterated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church: "[E]very action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible is intrinsically evil" (CCC 2370). "Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means . . . for example, direct sterilization or contraception" (CCC 2399).

The Church also has affirmed that the illicitness of contraception is an infallible doctrine: "The Church has always taught the intrinsic evil of contraception, that is, of every marital act intentionally rendered unfruitful. This teaching is to be held as definitive and irreformable. Contraception is gravely opposed to marital chastity, it is contrary to the good of the transmission of life (the procreative.aspect of matrimony), and to the reciprocal self-giving of the spouses (the unitive.aspect of matrimony); it harms true love and denies the sovereign role of God in the transmission of human life" (Vademecum for Confessors 2:4, Feb. 12, 1997).

Catholic law on abortion
Excommunication for those aborting ...
Against the faith and 'serious sin' for those who assist those getting the abortion.
(ditto artifical birth control)

This law has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with HEALTH CARE -

This law has nothing to do with health care. It has to do with CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS of freedom of religion. It also has to do with the far left trolling for votes for 2012. If they really cared about 'the people', they wouldn't be trying to force Catholic Church outreach hospitals to close. That's exactly what they'd have to do ...

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I'm sure there's no dearth of non-Catholic hospitals to be employed at. How bout the one Michelle O is on the board of, the one that sent patients packing to other hospitals for care because they couldn't pay.

Religion isn't required to act as an employer.

And how dramatic! "To Hell With You"... Oh, Brother....

Yes, by mandating that as an employer you are required to provide contraceptive coverage.... That is same as saying "To Hell With You". Seriously... Church's are awful. Religion is awful. Can we just stop, please? Shut 'em all down. The world cannot afford this stupidity any longer. I'm sorry, but the Santa Tooth Fairy worshippers have got to go.

Hrmmm

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Crow anyone?

Originally posted by negativenihil
Hrmmm

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Crow anyone?

Whata bombshell !!

Originally posted by negativenihil
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Crow anyone?

How's that eating crow? It's just as unconstitutional under anyone ... be it Bush or Obama or Romney. Romney Care in Mass carried the same anti-constitutional push against the First Amendment.

I can safely assume that Obama wouldn't protect a child molester.

I know of some who do though. So let us all get out of our glass houses and talk nonsense.
Obama bad. Catholics are victims of his Muslim takeover. He is forcing Mary Margaret Katherine Dineen down the street to have the option of free birth control! If that's not a mortal sin, then I don't know what is. Thank goodness for John Boehner, huh?


Sorry ATS. I'm just tired of American nonsense. Is it this backwards around the rest of the world, or just here?

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It has to do with CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS of freedom of religion.

No, it does not.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

This means that congress cannot ban something on the basis of religion or with religion as a target.

It does not mean that congress cannot ban or enforce something that is a part of a religious practice on secular grounds. It can. Otherwise you could do whatever you want if you proclaimed it a part of your religion, which is an absurdity.

This law is not unconstitutional at all.