Riots erupt after ultra-Orthodox leaders arrested over tax fraud

Police in Israel arrested two extremist ultra-Orthodox Jews for suspicion of tax fraud and money laundering.

Riots broke out shortly afterwards.

Rioters threw rocks at police.

I guess Israeli authorities have internal problems too.

Haredi are anti-Zionist.

Hmmm.

Maybe that's why they have been targeted for tax violations.

The arrests capped a months-long secret investigation by tax authorities and the Israel Police.

Ultra-Orthodox sources said their community would not accept the arrests, which they described as "a dramatic escalation of police monitoring" of Haredim.

Haaretz article with slide show

At least these guys have some support from their friends !

Hmm.. Interesting. So in the U.S., the Church related crimes run into the crimes against persons variety...to be very kind about it. Perhaps in Israel, it's more the financial variety. They wouldn't be the first to use the cover of Religion to hide financial fraud. The riots are a little disturbing though. Is this coming to be the answer everywhere? Police arrest someone and it isn't popular, so lets get the cops or throw a riot? The rule of law still generally works and without civil unrest.

The ultra-orthodox are the real threat to Israel, not Iran, not anyone else.

The ultra-orthodox are the nutjobs, the warmongers, the friends of Netanyahu.

If we want Israel to become more MODERATE... and less crazy, we want MODERATES to take over Israel's government.

The ultra-orthodox are like the fundies in the US, saying ``let's nuke Iran and Syria so we can have Armageddon``... these kind of crazy bastards. They also want jewish law to be applied instead of real law... they want women at the back of the bus, etc... they are no better than the Talibans.

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Do you even know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews are like!? They actively support sex segregation in public life and set out to intimidate women to prevent them from voting or traveling in public. Any action against them is a good action, regardless of who is doing it.

Anti Zionist Jews?

According to some members that's impossible!

I believe the true reason for their arrest was that they're Anti Semites

I see a few possible scenarios here.

The most likely is that the Israeli officials aren't very fond of those who speak against Zionism so they framed these two gentlemen.

The other likely scenario is that these anti Zionist Israelites were crooked and even though they stood against Zionism, they were also crooks themselves.

As for ultra orthodox Judaism, I'm not going to judge any religions. I'm just glad there are a lot of Jews in Israel who speak out against the Zionists. If these charges are true, I hope these bad apples don't ruin it all for the rest of them.

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I believe the group of rioters were an Anti-Zionist sect.

Two leading extremist ultra-Orthodox figures were arrested on Sunday on suspicion of tax fraud and money laundering, sparking Haredi riots in Jerusalem and Beit Shemesh.

Shmuel Lubetzky, a leader of the anti-Zionist Haredi sect Neturei Karta, and Amrom Shapiro, the personal assistant to Rabbi Yitzhak Tuvia Weiss, the leader of the separatist Eda Haredit movement, were among several Haredim arrested on suspicion of the fraudulent use of donations worth tens of millions of shekels.

Ultra orthodox Judaism does have a lot of extremists, many of them loyal to the Zionists, but this group appears to be what I would consider the "good guys". Perhaps my observation is flawed since I'm limited in details and have done very little research into this specific case.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

I believe the group or rioters were an Anti-Zionist sect.

Two leading extremist ultra-Orthodox figures were arrested on Sunday on suspicion of tax fraud and money laundering, sparking Haredi riots in Jerusalem and Beit Shemesh.

Shmuel Lubetzky, a leader of the anti-Zionist Haredi sect Neturei Karta, and Amrom Shapiro, the personal assistant to Rabbi Yitzhak Tuvia Weiss, the leader of the separatist Eda Haredit movement, were among several Haredim arrested on suspicion of the fraudulent use of donations worth tens of millions of shekels.

I see now,

""anti-Zionist Haredi sect Neturei Karta""

there is an anti-Zionist sect not necessarily the Haredi as a whole.

Hard to understand those guys over there !!

Good clarification.

Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Do you even know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews are like!? They actively support sex segregation in public life and set out to intimidate women to prevent them from voting or traveling in public. Any action against them is a good action, regardless of who is doing it.

I'm learning !

Thanks.

All details on these outfits are welcome.

reply to post by xuenchen


it is confusing that much is for sure.

I was guilty of going against my own beliefs in my previous post by submitting to the "labels" phenomena, I try to look beyond that in this type of discussion. But the subject of the article leaves us no choice to focus on certain aspects of the people involved.

Personally, I believe the whole religion/politics thing needs to be completely separated.

I'm tired of people using their religious beliefs to justify political decisions among other things.

Haredim and Zionism ..... a split decision ?

The relationship between Haredim and Zionism has always been a difficult one. Before the establishment of the State of Israel, the majority of Haredi Jewry was opposed to Zionism.[1] However, after the de facto creation of the state, each individual movement within Orthodox Judaism charted its own path in their approach to the State of Israel. A study in late 2006 claimed that just over a third of Israelis considered Haredim the most hated group in Israel.[2]

Haredim and Zionism

The wiki has some interesting info !

It's confusing.

There seems to be a difference of opinion by some Ashkenazi Haredim and Sephardic Haredim...

Post-1948

The relationship between Haredim and Zionism became more complex after the founding of the State of Israel in 1948. Some Haredi groups adopted a pragmatic position, and involved themselves in the political process of the state by voting in elections and accepting state funding. Others have maintained a more hardline rejectionist position, refusing all funding from the Israeli state and abstaining from taking part in the political process. The positions of specific Haredi groups are discussed in greater detail in the remainder of the article.

There is also a growing group of Orthodox Jews known as Hardalim. They are formerly Religious Zionists who moved in their religious observances and philosophy towards Haredi Judaism. Socially, however, they still form a part of the Religious Zionist world, and not of the Haredi world.

United Torah Judaism and Shas are the only two Haredi parties in the Israeli Knesset which advocate a halachic state. In addition, even the anti-Zionist Satmar Hasidim do take part in municipal elections in some places, such as the Haredi stronghold of Bnei Brak.

Notably, there is a substantial difference in the positions taken by Ashkenazi and Sephardi Haredim, the latter generally being quite supportive of Zionism.

POST 1948 seems to be a problem !

Hmmm.


Is it a circle inside a triangle, or is it a triangle inside a circle ?
Or is it a sphere inside a pyramid, or is it a pyramid inside a sphere ?

Shakespeare said, "You doth protest too much!" meaning if you have to refute something over and over again and defend yourself vigorously, then you're probably guilty of whatever it is you're protesting.

and perhaps accusing others of that very same guilt !

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OK...Now I'm really confused.

Let's just send in the dude from the other thread with a camera and ask them how they really feel.

Let's hope he doesn't get jumped by a pack of angry rabbis

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by xuenchen

 

OK...Now I'm really confused.

Let's just send in the dude from the other thread with a camera and ask them how they really feel.

Let's hope he doesn't get jumped by a pack of angry rabbis

Actually,

That might be the ONLY way to find out now !!

He should ask for an IDF escort however.....highly recommended !!