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Originally posted by Twelvemonkeyss
reply to post by demonseed
Sorry if this has already been said, but, does this remind anyone of that Invader Zim episode where aliens try to surround the earth with a giant sphere and literally "capture" earth?
Originally posted by samerulesapply
It's an interesting concept and if it weren't worth contemplating then nobody would have responded, so whether right or wrong, demonseed started an interesting thread and people chose to take part...why they chose to take part when all they do is belittle and chuck insults around is beyond me.
Again...I'll make the point I made in a previous post, a point nobody should really have to make as it's blatantly obvious...arguments involving space exploration are not only stupid in this case...but quite irritating, I'm sick of really dumb statements like...how can we be trapped in a bubble in a false reality when we've explored space?
Here's a simple analogy to break it down for those who struggle with the concept...imagine someone told you that you were a character in a computer game...but you just ate your lunch...so how can it be a game if you've just eaten? Because eating lunch is part of the game, is it so hard to grasp this concept? If our reality is false...an illusion...a simulation, then any ventures into space are part of that simulation...so enough of that, it's really idiotic.
Now, what I really want to know is what people think of this - say the OP is right...then how does the OP know that the beings communicating with him/her are not part of this simulation? Demonseed might be doing exactly what the system wants him to...if this is all true how do we know who to trust and who not to trust?
Why would a system that controls and tricks us want to tell us about its existence? To steer us in a particular direction perhaps...sorry, just felt like throwing a curve ball. I don't mind if you're wrong, demonseed, you made a statement and have stuck around to defend it and I respect that. If people weren't interested they wouldn't reply be it negative or positive.
I'm flagging and starring you for being true to yourself, regardless of what people say...also for the fact that I've read 17 pages of this thread and rather enjoyed it, insults aside.
Originally posted by The GUT
I do sometimes feel like we're encapsulated in a shell, though. The stars look soooo close. Still: I'm pretty sure I need a nap and that I'm NOT currently taking one. Peace.
Well first you have to understand that the universe around you is not what it seems. We like to think everything as far away and distant, but it's really all relative. What i will say is this:
Your sky is a hologram, connected to the moon. On the moon there is an exit to the outside world. The outside world is not actually 3 dimensional. Time does not exist. Everything is relevant, and you are all knowing in this world.
Ever had a dream that you felt was so real you couldn't believe it was a dream? The same principle applies, except now add time and place. It really is the same concept.. You are dreaming a dream so real you cannot believe it could be a dream. Some would argue that is enough to make it real. HOwever, once you feel reality for what it is, you cannot accept this world as real anymore.
Super-natural. In fact, science is a mechanic specifically designed to dilute your thinking to the dream world. It gives us some sense of understanding in a world we dont understand, but at the same time we will never fully understand it. Science is intentionally designed this way.
Originally posted by arollingstone
reply to post by demonseed
Well first you have to understand that the universe around you is not what it seems. We like to think everything as far away and distant, but it's really all relative. What i will say is this:
Your sky is a hologram, connected to the moon. On the moon there is an exit to the outside world. The outside world is not actually 3 dimensional. Time does not exist. Everything is relevant, and you are all knowing in this world.
You lifted that idea straight out of David Icke's latest book, however unlike him you fail to explain the concepts in a convincing manner. I always have a problem with anyone saying "I know more than you do about x" without even asking me what my view is on that matter. It certainly doesn't sound like you do. I'm very open minded about the nature of space, time, the universe etc. I've encountered many different theories, including the whole moon hologram one.
I assume you refer to there being more than 3 dimensions, yes others have said that (once again Mr. Icke is big on that idea) - including scientists. However, being exposed to such ideas doesn't warrant running around dressed as a prophet.
Ever had a dream that you felt was so real you couldn't believe it was a dream? The same principle applies, except now add time and place. It really is the same concept.. You are dreaming a dream so real you cannot believe it could be a dream. Some would argue that is enough to make it real. HOwever, once you feel reality for what it is, you cannot accept this world as real anymore.
Dreams do not have coherent logic, our idea of 'reality' does. That's the old brain in a vat argument, it certainly is difficult to objectively disprove but how do you justify making that claim? Because someone told you? Or possibly, you imagine that someone told you? The only way you could justify that claim would be if you woke up and actually experienced 'reality'. In which case, why would you be back here? Explain the logic behind this, is someone keeping us in a dream against our will?
Super-natural. In fact, science is a mechanic specifically designed to dilute your thinking to the dream world. It gives us some sense of understanding in a world we dont understand, but at the same time we will never fully understand it. Science is intentionally designed this way.
Sounds like someone went through an awful lot of trouble just to do that. Once again, you fail to validate these claims with any sort of logic - you're just dangling carrots saying "I know the truth, here have some scraps of it". Once again, I've heard all these ideas before from much better orators and I give some far-out ideas credit, but you have not justified the claim that 'science was specifically, intentionally designed' to keep us in the dark.
You did not answer my questions at all.. You didn't even address the most important one - Who told you this i.e. what species/life form and why would you not be able to disclose such information - it would be impossible to identify who specifically merely from information about their species.
Please actually make an effort to convince me, rather than elaborating on half-hearted attempts at alleged 'disclosure'.. How else is one supposed to lend credit to your views?
Super-natural. In fact, science is a mechanic specifically designed to dilute your thinking to the dream world. It gives us some sense of understanding in a world we dont understand, but at the same time we will never fully understand it. Science is intentionally designed this way.
At the end of the day you believe what is in front of you. No matter what "proof" i give it wont matter, you wont believe it. Heck, if the government agreed with me you wouldn't believe it. What's in front of you is real, and i cannot prove otherwise for you.
You are more than welcome to believe this way, but i cannot answer endless questions about my experience in a way you would ever believe them.
That doesn't mean i dont want to answer your questions, i simply cannot endlessly go in a loop like this.
"why?"
"how?"
"Prove it"
"Some guy said this you are a copy cat"
For those of us that believe, none of that matters. It is proven, it sounds similar to other beliefs but thats okay, and the why/how/where/when don't really matter.
Those kinds of questions will be endless and i will never fully answer them for you or anyone else with a similar mindset.
Originally posted by Unity_99
Originally posted by blocula
The royal bloodline elites are working hand in hand with diabolical powers,sinister beings that have created this material illusion that the vast majority of us are killing ourselves to live within,this fallen world designed and controlled by evil aliens who have programmed all the misery,suffering and war into their virtual creation...
The Demon King and Queen and their demonic beasts want humans and their souls to feel really small,helpless and trapped within their illusion,a holographica shroud we call outer space thats been wrapped around our world and around our minds...
Originally posted by Rathyas
I understand all of this completely.
I'd admit I were wrong if I knew for a fact that I was, but I'm believing what I will.