What makes Ron Paul not just another puppet?, page 1
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reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:31 AM by YouAreLiedTo
reply to post by EartOccupant



How much attention did Obama get before the main election?

About the same amount as Ron Paul...

The only difference being Paul has been trying for a run at the presidency for years, and Obama came out of nowhere.

Just my $.02 (and accounting for current inflation, that isn't much! )


reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:36 AM by Q:1984A:1776
reply to post by eyesdown



Looking back on what I've seen amongst politicians throughout my life, I'd say that the one thing that separates Dr. Paul from the rest of the "puppets" is that he has only flip-flopped ONCE! ~and that was on the issue of the death penalty!

Can you say that about any other candidate? Can you say that any of them don't have a history of changing stances on issues right after they received a large contribution from some powerful corporation?

Answer that for me, and I will answer more fully why "Crazy Uncle Ron" isn't "just another puppet"...

Edit to add: both your A) and B) questions were rooted in an idea that we don't have the ability to actually elect our officials in this country. While that certainly might be the case, I hope that isn't true, as our only option then would be violent revolution. Nobody here wants to see that.
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reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:46 AM by eyesdown
Originally posted by Q:1984A:1776
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Looking back on what I've seen amongst politicians throughout my life, I'd say that the one thing that separates Dr. Paul from the rest of the "puppets" is that he has only flip-flopped ONCE! ~and that was on the issue of the death penalty!

Can you say that about any other candidate? Can you say that any of them don't have a history of changing stances on issues right after they received a large contribution from some powerful corporation?

Answer that for me, and I will answer more fully why "Crazy Uncle Ron" isn't "just another puppet"...

Edit to add: both your A) and B) questions were rooted in an idea that we don't have the ability to actually elect our officials in this country. While that certainly might be the case, I hope that isn't true, as our only option then would be violent revolution. Nobody here wants to see that.
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I can't answer that for you I am afraid. I am not suggesting that he is, I am just asking out of curiosity because of comments I have heard before such as "it doesnt matter who you vote for, they are run by_____ (insert higher power here)" and to asnwer your other question that is my point. That is why I say by definition there can only be two outcomes, but if there is no puppet master so to speak then you can add c) he's genuine and the US public will decide.


reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 05:31 AM by gladtobehere
reply to post by eyesdown


Just for the record, this issue has been beaten to death on ATS.

But, youre correct in that almost all are puppets.

Obama is completely different in that 1) the media loved him and 2) he had no history.

There was no reason to trust Obama. We cant look at a 30 year old video of Obama upholding the same principles he did then as he is now.

Unlike Obama, Ron Paul has served for 24 years so we already know if he can be trusted.

Even if a person was to follow their gut instinct, it should be obvious to anyone whos not mentally handicapped that Ron Paul is a good decent man.

Lets hope this is the first year out of many where we are puppet free. Its definitely our last.

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reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 07:39 AM by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by EartOccupant


Not necessarily, it depends on the attention that he gets if he surges in the late primary and then again in the general election. Presently he is the solid anti-establishment candidate...but what if suddenly he wins a state primary that he wasnt supposed to win (back room machinations?) and then the media suddenly gets marching orders to focus on him and then the more establishment sheeple follow in step. Seems far-fetched but TPTB knows how to manipulate mankind and this would be a true coup if they could pull it off. Then President Paul would lead the people of the USA right into the NWO and they would willingly follow: global governance by technocrats, one world currency backed by a basket of non-perishable commodities (esp gold), the resultant severe devaluation of the dollar and concomitant austerity on the american people. Seems far fetched?


reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 09:43 AM by EartOccupant
reply to post by CosmicCitizen



Nope, does not seems far fetched....

The problem is... If true:
- How and where to find someone who isn't "inside" one way or the other, and still is capable of changing the system?
- How to know for sure?
- And how many time do we have left..?

So.. maybe boring: But the best of the worst, or benefit of the doubt.. Is what I give him.
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