Is evil just a tool against God’s boredom?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Greatest I am

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

I can't fathom how God would ever be bored.

I cannot fathom how anyone can fathom anything about the un-fathomable God.

Strange how believers can know so much about the un-knowable.

Regards
DL

We're sorta reactionary. We can only know what He chooses to reveal.

Yet will send those not convinced by his non-disclosure to eternal punishment in hell.

Nice a hole that God of yours.

Regards
DL

reply to post by Greatest I am


Sooooo, are you now abandoning your notion that God gets bored?

Maybe think of God as a painter or writer. What kind of painting is all white? What kind of story is just "happy happy joy joy"?

Take war as an example. Living through WWII was horrible for many people, but at the same time many of them looked back on WWII as a defining time in their life. And the way humans dealt with the challenges of WWII became interesting stories for the future.

According to the book of Job, God permits evil so Job can overcome a challenge. The Christians think of evil as a trial to sharpen their faith.

It's like lifting weights - you need just the right amount of resistance. Too much is bad and too little is bad.

Originally posted by cloudyday
Maybe think of God as a painter or writer. What kind of painting is all white? What kind of story is just "happy happy joy joy"?

Take war as an example. Living through WWII was horrible for many people, but at the same time many of them looked back on WWII as a defining time in their life. And the way humans dealt with the challenges of WWII became interesting stories for the future.

According to the book of Job, God permits evil so Job can overcome a challenge. The Christians think of evil as a trial to sharpen their faith.

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LOL. Sharpen their beliefs in basically nothing.
Faith without facts is for fools.

www.youtube.com...

As to Job.
God having a bet with Satan and allowing him to kill and do his other evils just so God can win his bet is completely immoral.
Christians can have that God if they want him.
I seek and have found one with morals.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am

Originally posted by cloudyday
Maybe think of God as a painter or writer. What kind of painting is all white? What kind of story is just "happy happy joy joy"?

Take war as an example. Living through WWII was horrible for many people, but at the same time many of them looked back on WWII as a defining time in their life. And the way humans dealt with the challenges of WWII became interesting stories for the future.

According to the book of Job, God permits evil so Job can overcome a challenge. The Christians think of evil as a trial to sharpen their faith.

.

LOL. Sharpen their beliefs in basically nothing.
Faith without facts is for fools.

www.youtube.com...

As to Job.
God having a bet with Satan and allowing him to kill and do his other evils just so God can win his bet is completely immoral.
Christians can have that God if they want him.
I seek and have found one with morals.

Regards
DL

What is it that you believe? Somehow your beliefs need to be tested against the world we live in. I see a world with serial killers, freak and fatal accidents, dictators, children forced into prostitution by their poor parents, etc.

I don't have the answers myself. My idea of evil as contrast for good is hard to sell to somebody who might die from slipping in the bathtub. There isn't much nobility or excitement in that kind of death.

It's an interesting question. That's what the book of Job is about and in the end the answer is: "don't question me; I'm God."

I tend to think God doesn't exist or is sitting back watching the universe as some kind of experiment.

Originally posted by cloudyday

Originally posted by Greatest I am

Originally posted by cloudyday
Maybe think of God as a painter or writer. What kind of painting is all white? What kind of story is just "happy happy joy joy"?

Take war as an example. Living through WWII was horrible for many people, but at the same time many of them looked back on WWII as a defining time in their life. And the way humans dealt with the challenges of WWII became interesting stories for the future.

According to the book of Job, God permits evil so Job can overcome a challenge. The Christians think of evil as a trial to sharpen their faith.

.

LOL. Sharpen their beliefs in basically nothing.
Faith without facts is for fools.

www.youtube.com...

As to Job.
God having a bet with Satan and allowing him to kill and do his other evils just so God can win his bet is completely immoral.
Christians can have that God if they want him.
I seek and have found one with morals.

Regards
DL

What is it that you believe? Somehow your beliefs need to be tested against the world we live in. I see a world with serial killers, freak and fatal accidents, dictators, children forced into prostitution by their poor parents, etc.

I don't have the answers myself. My idea of evil as contrast for good is hard to sell to somebody who might die from slipping in the bathtub. There isn't much nobility or excitement in that kind of death.

It's an interesting question. That's what the book of Job is about and in the end the answer is: "don't question me; I'm God."

I tend to think God doesn't exist or is sitting back watching the universe as some kind of experiment.

edit on 24-12-2011 by cloudyday because: (no reason given)

The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.
Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.

“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”

This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheeple where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.

I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.

The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.

I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.

I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship, it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.

My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am

Originally posted by cloudyday
Maybe think of God as a painter or writer. What kind of painting is all white? What kind of story is just "happy happy joy joy"?

Take war as an example. Living through WWII was horrible for many people, but at the same time many of them looked back on WWII as a defining time in their life. And the way humans dealt with the challenges of WWII became interesting stories for the future.

According to the book of Job, God permits evil so Job can overcome a challenge. The Christians think of evil as a trial to sharpen their faith.

.

LOL. Sharpen their beliefs in basically nothing.
Faith without facts is for fools.

www.youtube.com...

As to Job.
God having a bet with Satan and allowing him to kill and do his other evils just so God can win his bet is completely immoral.
Christians can have that God if they want him.
I seek and have found one with morals.

Regards
DL

God wasn't the one wagering, the devil was. God already knew what would happen with the end of the story of Job.

reply to post by Greatest I am


Only a sociopath or psychopath would find boredom to be a "fate worse then death". People who are sane like to find peaceful hobbies.

Evil isn't an omnipresent being, but rather a state of being. Kind of like the states of matter: solid, liquid and gas.


The actions required to end evil, are in many respects far more destructive and pain inflicting. As it would require the destruction of existence(it is like trying to get rid of the solid state of matter).

Here are some ideas I've had lately on this question. (I haven't thought them through much yet.)

In Genesis the mistake was to eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Good and evil is only meaningful relative to the ego. If you are a mouse then being a play toy for a cat is evil, but for the cat it is good. So eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is equivalent to dropping into the lowest state of consciousness where we have an egocentric view. If we can elevate our consciousness we will see that everything is God's will. Charles Manson's crimes were God's will. The genocide of Jews in WWII was God's will. Mother Theresa was God's will. We need to have a humble and contrite spirit and stop trying to know good and evil. Elevating our consciousness is equivalent to loving our neighbours as ourselves.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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God wasn't the one wagering, the devil was. God already knew what would happen with the end of the story of Job.

Pathetic reply.

It takes two to have a bet.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by cloudyday
Here are some ideas I've had lately on this question. (I haven't thought them through much yet.)

In Genesis the mistake was to eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Good and evil is only meaningful relative to the ego. If you are a mouse then being a play toy for a cat is evil, but for the cat it is good. So eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is equivalent to dropping into the lowest state of consciousness where we have an egocentric view. If we can elevate our consciousness we will see that everything is God's will. Charles Manson's crimes were God's will. The genocide of Jews in WWII was God's will. Mother Theresa was God's will. We need to have a humble and contrite spirit and stop trying to know good and evil. Elevating our consciousness is equivalent to loving our neighbours as ourselves.

edit on 31-12-2011 by cloudyday because: (no reason given)

edit on 31-12-2011 by cloudyday because: (no reason given)

And to do so we must know good and evil.

"So eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is equivalent to dropping into the lowest state of consciousness"

I agree as the God in Eden said that doing so would make one as a God, knowing good and evil.

Bible God does definitely have a lower state of consciousness.
He is a dick wad.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am

Originally posted by cloudyday
Here are some ideas I've had lately on this question. (I haven't thought them through much yet.)

In Genesis the mistake was to eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Good and evil is only meaningful relative to the ego. If you are a mouse then being a play toy for a cat is evil, but for the cat it is good. So eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is equivalent to dropping into the lowest state of consciousness where we have an egocentric view. If we can elevate our consciousness we will see that everything is God's will. Charles Manson's crimes were God's will. The genocide of Jews in WWII was God's will. Mother Theresa was God's will. We need to have a humble and contrite spirit and stop trying to know good and evil. Elevating our consciousness is equivalent to loving our neighbours as ourselves.

edit on 31-12-2011 by cloudyday because: (no reason given)

edit on 31-12-2011 by cloudyday because: (no reason given)

And to do so we must know good and evil.

"So eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is equivalent to dropping into the lowest state of consciousness"

I agree as the God in Eden said that doing so would make one as a God, knowing good and evil.

Bible God does definitely have a lower state of consciousness.
He is a dick wad.

Regards
DL

edit on 1-1-2012 by Greatest I am because: (no reason given)

You also have to remember the humans the Creator was dealing with back then. Heck even now we are still barbaric, pathological cretins as a society for the most part. Back then it was worse.

For example in Kosher: How meat animals have to have their throat slit. Some regard that as barbaric in this day and age. Well, back in the time of the OT in that region it was common for some to butcher an animal "one leg at a time", you know to guarantee freshness.

And all those people the creator told the Jew's to wipe out, there was a very good reason: Within a generation those people where back to sacrificing humans again(the Jews ended up sparing most of them if you took the time to read the OT).

The OT reads more to me like the Creator said "get to it" in the beginning, then from there to the New Testament was like a first time parent dealing with a misbehaving child.

It is like the one episode of Malcolm in the Middle, where it is revealed why the mother became a super strict parent(because the oldest child was a little hellion).

Evil is not a tangible "thing". Therefore God did not create "it".

God created humans, and gave them a free will. Some choose to do evil things - some choose not to.

If God would intervene and not allow humans to do evil things, then many here would jump and protest that God is "restricting the freedoms of man" etc.

reply to post by sHuRuLuNi

If God would intervene and not allow humans to do evil things, then many here would jump and protest that God is "restricting the freedoms of man" etc.

And when humans do evil things out of the free will thats been granted to them, they jump out and protest that God allows evil.

So what is it that they really want? A robotic existence where they all behave according to the will of their Creator? Or one where they are allowed to what they want and then pay the final price after the end of it all??

Originally posted by korathin
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You also have to remember the humans the Creator was dealing with back then. Heck even now we are still barbaric, pathological cretins as a society for the most part. Back then it was worse.

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If your imaginary creator dealt with people then, and as you say, we have not changed, then why is he not dealing with us now?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi
Evil is not a tangible "thing". Therefore God did not create "it".

God created humans, and gave them a free will. Some choose to do evil things - some choose not to.

If God would intervene and not allow humans to do evil things, then many here would jump and protest that God is "restricting the freedoms of man" etc.

Yet scripture show God intervening all over the bible.

Was Sodom or the genocide in Noah's day not intervening?

Is killing not interfering with someone's free will to live?

Regards
DL