Is mankind secretly happier being controlled?

Imagine a society where everyone had a job they liked. Everyone had free medical and dental care. Everyone could go to university or training college for free. Criminals were dealt with harshly. The media reported proper news and not so called breaking news of a celebrity getting married. Everyone could live in a safe neighbourhood in a great house. Everyone was warm in the winter and cool in the summer. No one ever went hungry or had nothing for Christmas.

And all you had to do to live in such a society was accept to be ruled by a dictator and not a voted for government. All of the big concerns and questions were taken completely out of your hands and therefore you never worried.

There would rules, limitations and possible harsh tariffs, but, the pay off is a virtually perfect society. No stress and competition. No worrying about having enough or not enough. I believe that mankind secretly desires this system, but feels they can not admit so because of western hatred for certain eastern systems. That mankind has been conditioned to falsely strive and suffer when he secretly wants to be ruled and have things done for him. Any opinions on this?

reply to post by mandroids


I thinking exactly the same thing a couple of hours ago and the more i think about it, the more i believe that humans do like to be controlled in a certain way.

Of course humans feel the need to be controlled.

Just look at religion.

I agree and it is not the most palatable theory either, that we may be hardwired to feel happier being lead and ruled.

Originally posted by Swizzy
Of course humans feel the need to be controlled.

Just look at religion.

No need to confine the parameters to religion, history in general. Ivan the terrible should hammer this point home. He was fed up with the politics and did what no other czar had done, quit. Packed up his family and left, people didn't know what to do, tracked him down and begged him to come back. Only after that did he become known as the "terrible".

reply to post by mandroids


no , the only reason man seems happy with the way our world is operating is because he has been fooled into a false sense of security.

Religion plays an EXTRA LARGE part in that one.

reply to post by DiddlyDeePotatoes


Just shut your eyes and pray, everything will be okay!

No rhyming intended

reply to post by mandroids


Aye. I believe the [hilosopher kings would agree, only they would prefer a council.

A portion of the people that receive welfare probably are.

You put it really well. I hope we can have all that but rule ourselves.

I think Libertarian Socialism is our best shot.

Man is just a animal. like a wolf.
a pack of wolves have a pack leader.
some one to look after them and make them safe.
but if pack leader pushes to far or much.
some one will chalendg him.

My mom once dated a guy that fallowed her every order. Any thing she wanted he gave it to her, when she did not keep him working they would get into fight. He likes to be ordered around, told what to do, basically he wants some one to tell him how to live. For 1 year he worked 2 jobs so my mom could stay at home. My mom eventually got tired of having every thing handed to her and they split.

To say that all of humanity would be happier in one kind of society is ignorance. Does any thing work like that? Every thing has a = and opposite reaction. Yin and Yang, up and down, love and hate ect... Every thing has a opposite. I enjoy making choices, to me it sounds like you think humanity is lazy. Humanity is not lazy they have just been exposed to extreme brain washing AKA the TV witch refreshes at a low rate making people docile unmotivated and lazy.

Their are people that speculate what it would be like to have every thing handed to them but I think if it ever happened the people would grow tired of it just as they do with every other system. Each generation grows, learns and is molded into a completely alien like existence compared to the past. Just look at our history, the 20's 30's 40's 50's 60's 70's 80's 90's.

I don't think people should be controlled. They should learn what real freedom is.

You know I went back and read the OP over a couple times to be sure I wasn't missing something...and I could swear it all sounds a bit familiar. I believe that could have been torn right out of a pamphlet extolling the virtues and benefits of a true socialist people's utopia. The whole purpose, as I understand it, of Russia and China's efforts to pursue and perfect communist government was chasing precisely the world you envision here.

I'd say you're really onto something about a large % of any given population quietly preferring the control and decision making being made for them from some higher level. I suppose that would even be a decent idea for those who would choose to live under that system...if only they could find men to run it who aren't as corrupt and hopeless as those seeking control at their hands.

Yes. Mankind prefers to be controlled.

But having said that, they prefer to be fully aware of the PARAMETERS of control.

If being controlled is to be a slave, serving indolent masters, then to hell with it.

If in an environment where mistakes can and would be corrected, for we all are flawed anyway, and then progress to evolve, following benevolent orders that leaves NONE behind, then such a system would be supported.

It's called civilisation, responsible freedom and democracy. Something we already have and are currently living in, except for slave states in our world, today. Freedom is free, but comes with consideration for others as we seek to co-exists in peace.

The other alternative is to be back to jungles, where the fittest in all aspect survives. None will survive and our race will end in a far quicker pace.

reply to post by ludshed


The "people" did nothing of the sort.

A few of the elite who needed a front man they could agree on to keep themselves from killing each other did.

This is the sort of argument that sociopaths make to justify putting themselves into positions of power: glib, superficially logical, and seemingly simple, but a lie at the root of it.

In such a world you will always wind up with a sociopath in charge, or a full-blown psychopath, and you wind up with a horrendously bloody war to take it down.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
You know I went back and read the OP over a couple times to be sure I wasn't missing something...and I could swear it all sounds a bit familiar. I believe that could have been torn right out of a pamphlet extolling the virtues and benefits of a true socialist people's utopia. The whole purpose, as I understand it, of Russia and China's efforts to pursue and perfect communist government was chasing precisely the world you envision here.

I'd say you're really onto something about a large % of any given population quietly preferring the control and decision making being made for them from some higher level. I suppose that would even be a decent idea for those who would choose to live under that system...if only they could find men to run it who aren't as corrupt and hopeless as those seeking control at their hands.

Yes, but I should point out that wasnt my intention to promote any one theory, but hint at what is inside mans DNA to secretly want!

reply to post by mandroids


I would be unhappy in the society you propose as I would be forced to participate (just like in this one) or be labelled a criminal or vagrant. So essentially, I would be a slave to the system, which isn't even an individual person, but a created entity just like a corporation.

There is no satisfaction in pounding nails all day long on a factory assembly line so that you and others can have warm and cozy homes mass produced. Someone will have to do that, and there is no one who will enjoy that job and be satisfied with it for 50 years of their life.

Society exists to provide convenience - of order, of security, of exchange, etc. But it does so at the expense of control, which means someone will always be doing something they do not want to do, as that is why society exists in the first place - to force order, security, uniform exchange, etc.

It is true that the majority of the masses love to be controlled, but I think it is only because they don't know any other way. They are madly in love with society because they were born into it, and it is all they know.

If the masses were educated about how modern civilization truly functions, how it is set-up, what the philosophers said about controlling it and the art of man-herding, I tend to think the majority would not want it.

The overwhelming majority of people spend their lives in poverty or building crap and serving people crap, and they hate watching their lives pass before their eyes so they can barely make ends meet. You suggest that if everyone equally prospered for their work they would find happiness, but I disagree. People would then be miserable over the inequality of jobs because there is no way that everyone could possibly have the job they love - there are too many jobs people hate to do which someone will have to do.

I don't think people love to be controlled, at their core, I just think the majority like to be left alone, which unfortunately equates to them being ignorant about the scam of civilization since because they are not left alone, they happily slip into their own delusion to escape the constant intrusion on their liberty and happiness, and Young Socrates even supplied the solution that many of them use - entertainment and medicines.

Some people have a fetish with being dominated. Other are not so submissive. I like being in control of my own life.

Originally posted by DiddlyDeePotatoes
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no , the only reason man seems happy with the way our world is operating is because he has been fooled into a false sense of security.

Exactly, and when you start threatening that sense of securities with facts that go against what people want to believe they tend to deny and continue to choose ignorance.

And while religion does play a part, so does the life that we've been conditioned to believe is the norm. For example, we are conditioned to believe a 8 to 5 job is what will make us successful, and many of us are stuck working 40+ hours a week for a large corporation.

A lot of people don't feel comfortable thinking out of their bubble, which I don't understand, because exploring other options/ideas/beliefs is so eye opening and exciting!