Many Zionists say that the Modern Jewish State of Israel existing since 1948 must exist ?

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So , I have an answer which can not be rejected easily by logic :

Supreme Leader’s Speech at International Conference on Palestinian Intifada

Two points should be clarified in advance. The first point is that our demand is the liberation of Palestine, not the liberation of a part of Palestine. Any plan to divide Palestine is completely unacceptable. The two-state idea which has been presented in the self-righteous clothing of "recognizing the Palestinian government as a member of the United Nations" is nothing but giving in to the demands of the Zionists - namely, "recognizing the Zionist government in Palestinian lands". This would mean trampling on the rights of the Palestinian nation, ignoring the historical right of the displaced Palestinians and even jeopardizing the right of the Palestinians settled in "1948 lands". It would mean leaving the cancerous tumor intact and exposing the Islamic Ummah - especially the regional nations - to constant danger. It would mean bringing back decades-long sufferings and trampling upon the blood of the martyrs.

Any operational solution must be based on the principle of "all of Palestine for all Palestinian people". Palestine is the land that extends "from the river to the sea", not one inch less than that. Of course it should be noted that through its elected government, the Palestinian people will run the affairs of the any part of the Palestinian soil they manage to liberate, just as they did in the case of Gaza, but they will never forget the ultimate goal.

The second point is that in order to reach this lofty goal, what is necessary is action, not words. It is necessary to be serious, not to make ceremonial gestures. It is necessary to have patience and wisdom, not engage in a variety of impatient actions. It is necessary to consider horizons that lie far ahead and to move forward step by step with determination, reliance on God and hope. Muslim governments and nations and the resistance groups in Palestine, Lebanon and other countries can each identify their share of work in this general struggle and solve the puzzle of resistance with Allah's permission.

Originally posted by mikejohnson2006
Many Zionists say that the Modern Jewish State of Israel existing since 1948 must exist or a worldwide Muslim Caliphate Empire will take over the world are they right?

- Isreal is a soverign nation and has a right to exist. Deal with it.

- A worldwide Muslim Caliphate will take over the world if they are allowed to. It doesn't matter if Israel is there or not. The basics of their religion dictates that everyone has to be Muslim, even at the point of a sword. The proof of this belief is in the Qu'ran and in the fact that there are so-called 'muslim nations'.

- The ONLY reason there are so called 'muslim nations' is because ancient and productive countries and societies were brutally slaughtered by invading Muslims a few hundred years ago.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
The Zionists lie.

What does the 'religion of peace' teach about lies?

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage .

Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.

From Islamic Law:

Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...

If Zionism were to disappear, most the problems in that region would go away.

History shows otherwise. Islam isn't peaceful. It HAS to have an enemy to survive.
Even if it has to invent them.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Yup. Before 1948 there were much less problems.

Nope. Before 1948 there were NOT less problems.
Islams incessant terrorism through the centuries

Two things are happening that the Zionists had never expected.

01. Jews are leaving Palestine and moving to the US, Europe, Canada, South America, NZ and Australia.

02. Many American Jews have not only stopped supporting Israel but they are active in opposing Israel and speaking out against the very concept of Zionism.

Originally posted by SuperiorEd

Originally posted by mikejohnson2006
Many Zionists say that the Modern Jewish State of Israel existing since 1948 must exist or a worldwide Muslim Caliphate Empire will take over the world are they right ? Do the Palestinian Arabs even want this ? I thought the Palestinians wanted their Nation back ? My question is do you agree that a Jewish State in the Middleast somehow stops Islamism from taking over the world why or why not ?

Why the Arab world hates America --- time to myth-bust
Jan. 14, 2003

Dennis Prager

Arab and other Muslims who hate America do so:

Because America alone (and the little America in the Middle East, Israel) prevents the expansion of Islamic rule.

www.sullivan-county.com...

From my perspective, American and Israel are the two witnesses of Revelation 11. Rather than men, we are many men standing against the forces of evil. Apart from the two witnesses, there is no restrainer. The holy spirit will be withdrawn at some point when the anti-christ is revealed.

Yeah thats one way of looking at it and the thought has crossed my mind as well. Is it not written that the entire world will cheer when the 2 witnesses are killed and great celebrations will be had? The entire world already hates Israel and America and they would certainly cheer if we were killed off or destroyed. You might be onto something.