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Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
Originally posted by Acidtastic
Logical conclusion is that the state can make such laws? What the hell!!?? They do not have a right to take away others rights. Nobody has that right. Do you think that it is right that they want to stop the public from voicing their opinion from assembly? Are you happy to give over your rights to people who would do something like that?
You really don't think that the state has the authority to tell us that we can't camp out in a public park, just because we say we have the right to assemble? You think it should be okay? If I want to pitch a tent on the highway and call it a protest, I should be able to do that?
I am saying that it is completely logical that the states can make laws such as these.
Ok, I can go along with that. It's a little stronger than I would have phrased it, but it looks all right, generally. I also agree that at times the common man has been hurt by Supreme Court decisions.
No, I am saying that at critical times throughout history, "the powers that be" have certainly affected Supreme and Federal Court decisions to the detriment of the common man. I am not saying the Supreme Court IS TPTB, merely one of their tools. I dont know about a revolution to overthrow the SCOTUS, but some things need some serious re-analyzation.
Originally posted by charles1952
I think my position is that, even if they screw them up, the Court has been given the power to make the calls, and make them stick. That's how the Court can tell people that the right to protest means the right to protest with reasonable time and place restrictions. May not like it, but we're stuck. Like the ref that makes a bad call in a game.
With respect,
Charles1952
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Quote the Law that states Protesters have the right to protest indefinitely on either Private or Public property?
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Quote the Law that states Protesters have the right
Ok, so maybe i got you wrong, and you're just arguing the scemantics of the legal side of law making. But in the paragraph I quoted, what would you propose the people do about it? If you say that the law makers have the right to take away your right to assemble, then how will you ever change an inherrently corrupt system run by insane lunatics? You can't just vote someone else in, as the main parties worth voting for, are just different faces of the same coin. So you're replacing one corupt system with another. The whole system needs to come down, it's rotten to the very core. How would you go about changing something so hopelessly lost in greed?
Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
reply to post by aching_knuckles
I genuinely believe that the Constitution gives a LOT of power to the states, and the Federal government has greatly overstepped its bounds in all areas of our lives. I also think that we are so far away from what the founders envisioned, that they would be sick about it.
Originally posted by TheOracle
reply to post by SLAYER69
Why do you go to great legnths to protect the US govt? Are you getting a salary or allowance from the state?
How can you over throw a system by abiding by its laws?
Originally posted by charles1952
Dear aching_knuckles,
Of course we have the right to tell the Supreme Court that they're wrong, we do it all the time. But until our system is overthrown or fundamentally altered, they are the ones who make the constitutionality decisions, not me, not you. Right now, under the system we have, states and cities have a constitutional right to put some restrictions on speech and protest.
We can change it by electing a President who will put in a different kind of Justice, passing a Constitutional Amendment, or one or two other, subtler tricks. But right now, the states and cities have the right to restrict protests.
With respect,
Charles1952
How can you over throw a system by abiding by its laws?
We can change it by electing a President who will put in a different kind of Justice, passing a Constitutional Amendment, or one or two other, subtler tricks.
Originally posted by TheOracle
Why do you go to great legnths to protect the US govt? Are you getting a salary or allowance from the state?
reply to post by Acidtastic
Ok, so maybe i got you wrong, and you're just arguing the scemantics of the legal side of law making. But in the paragraph I quoted, what would you propose the people do about it? If you say that the law makers have the right to take away your right to assemble, then how will you ever change an inherrently corrupt system run by insane lunatics? You can't just vote someone else in, as the main parties worth voting for, are just different faces of the same coin. So you're replacing one corupt system with another. The whole system needs to come down, it's rotten to the very core. How would you go about changing something so hopelessly lost in greed?
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by aching_knuckles
Exactly, No laws now...
Show anywhere in the Bill of Rights where it is written that they have the right to protest indefinitely on either Public or Private Property.
Please.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.