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Originally posted by Mynaeris
Whenever I go to Time Square I feel like I am working inside a coal mine, and by the way I do not have lung problems.
Originally posted by Mynaeris
By the way Bleys - your quote didn't include the kicker as to the price that non-smokers pay for your choice - we pay with our health and secondly with our convenience, do you think we enjoy the smoke that blows in our faces, or coughing when you avoid blowing it into the faces of your friends , but directly into passersby?
As for over eating etc I think we addressed that earlier, over eaters injure themselves, smokers frequently affect others.
Originally posted by AceOfBase
OK, here's the site I was looking for earlier:
Action on Smoking and Health:
Clive Bates, Director, Action on Smoking and Health, London:
It is true that NHS costs are lower than tobacco tax revenues. Tobacco taxation amounts to �10.5 billion per year whereas a figure for NHS spending on tobacco related disease is �1.7 billion.
Originally posted by Bleys
How the hell am I infringing on your rights? I can't smoke in a restaurant, I can't smoke in bars, I can't smoke at work. The only place I can smoke is outside - where there is no risk to you. If someone is blowing smoke in your face it's probably because of some nasty comment you had just made about smokers. Could be wrong - but, hey, you drew first blood here.
If I remember correctly the whole point of your post was to address that NHS didn't want to have to treat smokers because of the cost involved. Now that it has been established that there is no "extra costs" involved - you want to change it to the remote chance that there may be a possibility of an increased risk resulting from the possibility that you may encounter second hand smoke while walking down the street in a city of X million number of people?
Originally posted by astrocreep
I agree with Mynaeris on this one. If someone intentionally harms themselves, they need to be able to pay for the healthcare like the rest of us. Thats why I came out in favor of the Georgia's ban of gentalia mutilation(peircing) in that thread a while back. My point there was, if it takes an OBGYN with education and experience to handle medical issues relating to the female genitals and the law requires this level of education to practice, why the hell should it be legal for someone without such qualifications to punch a hole in that area? My angle relating to health care was this.... from this proceedure, infection is almost a given..and most females who'd think of having this done aren't our most upstanding and likely would have to use medicaid to treat it.
The same with smoking. I know its an addiction but treating its effects are draining the national healthcare funds. There has to be a cut-off point where we say;"ya know what?, we've known smoking causes health problems for long enough now. Its time to drop free treatment for self-inflicted desease." Now, I don't think we have reached that time yet but its coming. Maybe another decade to give those who were addicted before the real findings were released a chance for help. We have to remain on some compromise.
My question is, if you're a person who just picked up smoking the last year or two, what the hell were you thinking? You know there's a reason firefighters wear respirators. Smoke is not good for the lungs.
Originally posted by Mynaeris
I am also aware that there are many other pollutants in the air but does it justify your contribution to it? Oh well the street was dirty so it really didn't matter that I threw my bottle on the ground? Cleaning up requires everybody's participation. Start with you - I am working on me too.
Originally posted by Koka
And pray tell, what bad habits do you have, that you haven't addressed as yet?......and why haven't you?
I'm sure they don't inflict on other people, otherwise you would not have initialised this thread.
Do you have a brochure you hand out on being perfect?
Originally posted by Mynaeris
I am also aware that there are many other pollutants in the air but does it justify your contribution to it? Oh well the street was dirty so it really didn't matter that I threw my bottle on the ground? Cleaning up requires everybody's participation. Start with you - I am working on me too.
[edit on 7-9-2004 by Mynaeris]
Originally posted by Mynaeris
If I choose to not smoke to protect my health and you choose to smoke around me what should I do? Leave so that you can enjoy your rights?
Originally posted by k33l
Originally posted by Mynaeris
If I choose to not smoke to protect my health and you choose to smoke around me what should I do? Leave so that you can enjoy your rights?
Exactly.
Nobody forces you to stay around me when I'm smoking, if you do it, it is your business, not mine. Don't like Times Square? Don't go there. Nobody forces you to do so.
Originally posted by Mynaeris
Its kind of simple I am not the one initiating the injurious action. So if you don't want to see your house being burgled you shouldn't be there? I am going about my business trying to harm as little of the world as possible. I am sorry if my healthy lifestyle offendspeople. But I work hard at it and you really have no right to inflict the consequnces of your choices on me.