Potential Syrian War Propaganda Is Beginning To Surface

It seems that there is some propaganda being used to prop up a conflict with Syria. Back in 1991, there was a hit piece of juicy propaganda used regarding Iraq:

Prior to the first invasion of Iraq in 1991, the Congressional Human Rights Caucus held a hearing on Capitol Hill showcasing Iraqi human rights abuses. The media event allowed a 15-year old Kuwaiti girl known as Nayirah to claim Saddam’s invaders threw babies out of incubators at the al-Addan hospital in Kuwait City.

It seems that history is repeating itself once again, this time with accusations of child abuse in Syria. Maybe the claims are legitimate, but would that justify war?

On Friday, a United Nations human rights panel “expressed alarm” at reports claiming Syrian security forces are torturing children.

The Committee Against Torture said it had received “numerous, consistent and substantiated reports” of widespread abuse in the country, MSNBC reports today. The chair of the panel, Claudio Grossman, told reporters in Geneva that the reports referring to the abuse of children were of “particular concern.”

Don't be suprised if this gets loads of media coverage. The corporations that control the mainstream media outlets also are some of the biggest defense contractors and military-industrial weapons manufacturers in the world.

An emotional appeal is one of the most simple yet effective methods of swaying people towards one side or another. Hearing that innocent children are being tortured by evil soldiers naturally makes people upset, and who could say they're against stopping such a terrible thing?

Maybe the claims are 100% factually accurate, and these things are going on in Syria. But would that warrant an invasion? Would that justify spending billions of dollars fighting yet another one of this countrys wars which don't seem to have an end in sight?

War is a racket, and the people who profit from it are the same people with the means to incite it through media propaganda.

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reply to post by TupacShakur


Your link isn't working, but I was just reading a BBC story right before I read this, it also mentions torturing children.

A United Nations human rights panel has expressed alarm at reports it received of security forces in Syria torturing children.

The Geneva-based UN Committee against Torture says it has received "numerous, consistent and substantiated reports" of widespread abuse in the country.

"Of particular concern are reports referring to children who have suffered torture and mutilation while detained," said the panel's chairman, Claudio Grossman.

He also cited reports of "extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions; arbitrary detention by police forces and the military; and enforced and involuntary disappearances".

The committee said the Syrian authorities had been acting with total impunity while committing what it called "gross and pervasive" human rights violations.

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I can't verify whether these claims are true or not but I think some of them are true and the media is capitalizing on it.

The noise of the War machine pings and pangs. The overloards know no boundries; it is a lust of resources and profit that directs them, truth not be spared.


-_-_-_-_-_-_-

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgement day comes
Yeah!

Now in darkness world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees the war pig's crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing spreads his wings
Oh lord yeah!

Correct me if im wrong but has this "propaganda" been going on for some time?
2nd.

reply to post by AllUrChips


I can't say, I don't watch any MSM outlets. I do my best to avoid that garbage. This is the first report I've heard involving something serious used to hype up a war, but I bet there have been things like this hyped up by the media and politicians for a while now.

reply to post by TupacShakur


Yeah your subtle sarcasm isnt needed. Your lucky you had anybody nice enough respond to your thread. On topic: I dont watch much MSM either as you would not see anything on there anyway. However, at a quich search on ATS I bet I could find literally hundreds of threads involvong syria and all the propaganda that has been spewing for some time. Good day.
Ps here is YOUR thread about ALL the MSM coverage that you have seen about Ron Paul.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
There are several other threads of yours yanked straght from the msm as well. As well as one about your apparent "dislike" of the msm, not sure I couldnt quite understand what you were getting at in that thread.

reply to post by AllUrChips

Yeah your subtle sarcasm isnt needed. Your lucky you had anybody nice enough respond to your thread.

Where did that come from?

On topic: I dont watch much MSM either as you would not see anything on there anyway. However, at a quich search on ATS I bet I could find literally hundreds of threads involvong syria and all the propaganda that has been spewing for some time.

Then why'd you even ask in the first place if there was propaganda going on regarding Syria? The article simply draws a parallel between the lies about children being thrown out of incubators in Iraq, and these recent claims of a similar situation in Syria. I think it's worth calling attention to.

reply to post by AllUrChips

Ps here is YOUR thread about ALL the MSM coverage that you have seen about Ron Paul.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

YouTube search bar: "Ron Paul media propaganda". The results are endless.

There are several other threads of yours yanked straght from the msm as well. As well as one about your apparent "dislike" of the msm, not sure I couldnt quite understand what you were getting at in that thread.

That particular thread? Well I saw a post on the Daily Paul which showed positive coverage about Ron Paul, so I watched it, enjoyed it, and posted it. You don't have to watch MSM to know that they treat him poorly, there are plenty of examples on YouTube that shows their negative treatment of him. Plus studies show that he gets the least amount of media coverage and debate time. Also, what the hell does this have to do with Syria?

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

Yeah your subtle sarcasm isnt needed. Your lucky you had anybody nice enough respond to your thread.

Where did that come from?

On topic: I dont watch much MSM either as you would not see anything on there anyway. However, at a quich search on ATS I bet I could find literally hundreds of threads involvong syria and all the propaganda that has been spewing for some time.

Then why'd you even ask in the first place if there was propaganda going on regarding Syria? The article simply draws a parallel between the lies about children being thrown out of incubators in Iraq, and these recent claims of a similar situation in Syria. I think it's worth calling attention to.

I didnt ask about it. Your thread states that this propaganda is just starting to surface and I refuted that statement saying that it has been going on for some time. Then you wanted to feceaciously jab at me "i wouldnt know, i dont watch the msm"

reply to post by AllUrChips

I didnt ask about it. Your thread states that this propaganda is just starting to surface and I refuted that statement saying that it has been going on for some time. Then you wanted to feceaciously jab at me "i wouldnt know, i dont watch the msm"

It wasn't facetious, it was a factual statement. This specific report of incidents regarding children being tortured seems to be relatively recent, no? And a similar report was made in the 90s about children being killed in Iraq. There's a clear similarity between the two events IMO.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms


Excellent. I'll see your Black Sabbath and raise it one Pink Floyd (Momentary Lapse of Reason album):

"The Dogs Of War"

Dogs of war and men of hate
With no cause, we don't discriminate
Discovery is to be disowned
Our currency is flesh and bone
Hell opened up and put on sale
Gather 'round and haggle
For hard cash, we will lie and deceive
Even our masters don't know the web we weave
One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world
Invisible transfers, long distance calls,
Hollow laughter in marble halls
Steps have been taken, a silent uproar
Has unleashed the dogs of war
You can't stop what has begun
Signed, sealed, they deliver oblivion
We all have a dark side, to say the least
And dealing in death is the nature of the beast
One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world
The dogs of war won't negotiate
The dogs of war don't capitulate,
They will take and you will give,
And you must die so that they may live
You can knock at any door,
But wherever you go, you know they've been there before
Well winners can lose and things can get strained
But whatever you change, you know the dogs remain.
One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world

This may not be genocide but lets just look at this list and see which ones we have intervened on:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908) 8,000,000
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000
Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987) 570,000
Sukarno (Communists 1965-66) 500,000
Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39) 500,000? (Chinese civilians)
Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71) 300,000 (Bangladesh)
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Libya, 1934-45; Yugoslavia, WWII) 300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) ?
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000
Suharto (Aceh, East Timor, New Guinea, 1975-98) 200,000
Ho Chi Min (Vietnam, 1953-56) 200,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-99) 100,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) ?
Richard Nixon (Vietnam, 1969-1974) 70,000 (Vietnamese and Cambodian civilians)
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83) 70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000
Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic, 1930-61) 50,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000
Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, 1947) 30,000 (popular uprising)
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 (dissidents executed)
Francisco Franco (Spain) 30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)
Fidel Castro (Cuba, 1959-1999) 30,000
Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam, 1963-1968) 30,000
Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000) 25,000
Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89) 20,000
Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe, 1982-87, Ndebele minority) 20,000
Rafael Videla (Argentina, 1976-83) 13,000
Guy Mollet (France, 1956-1957) 10,000 (war in Algeria)
Harold McMillans (Britain, 1952-56, Kenya's Mau-Mau rebellion) 10,000
Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone, 1997) 6,000
Osama Bin Laden (worldwide, 1993-2001) 3,500
Augusto Pinochet (Chile, 1973) 3,000
Al Zarqawi (Iraq, 2004-06) 2,000

I can name a few but propaganda was probably used in a some of these to warrant invasion.

@ chewingonmushrooms,
You Said;
"a lust of resources and profit that directs them, truth not be spared"

THEN:
You quote 'War Pigs' by Black Sabbath,
IN FULL

THEN as if that was not enough....
Your signature, with acknowledgement, combined mankind's latest cloud computing technology with his most ancient question.

I like your style.

Originally posted by HumansEh
@ chewingonmushrooms,
You Said;
"a lust of resources and profit that directs them, truth not be spared"

THEN:
You quote 'War Pigs' by Black Sabbath,
IN FULL

THEN as if that was not enough....
Your signature, with acknowledgement, combined mankind's latest cloud computing technology with his most ancient question.

I like your style.

Thanks man, I appreciate that.

reply to post by 1SawSomeThings


Love me some Pink Floyd, haven't heard that song - might check it out when I get home.

OP - Yeah I definitely see the parallels between the rhetoric of the Iraq war (in this case Desert Storm) and the building of "support" (a form of subliminal messages almost) for escalations in Syria.

reply to post by chrismicha77

I can name a few but propaganda was probably used in a some of these to warrant invasion.

WWII for sure: American Propaganda in WWII

Off the top of my head, the obvious examples of WMDs in Iraq and the Gulf of Tonkin incident come to mind.

Here's an interview with John R. Macarthur which describes media propaganda towards wars. The example from the OP about babies being thrown out of incubators is cited early on:

I think it's very likely that a similar tactic is currently being used in Syria, playing on peoples emotions by citing examples of innocent children being harmed, then calling for American intervention. The claims may very well be true, and if that's the case, that's terrible for Syria, but then that brings up the question of whether or not we should get involved.

Originally posted by chrismicha77
This may not be genocide but lets just look at this list and see which ones we have intervened on:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908) 8,000,000
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000
Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987) 570,000
Sukarno (Communists 1965-66) 500,000
Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39) 500,000? (Chinese civilians)
Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71) 300,000 (Bangladesh)
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Libya, 1934-45; Yugoslavia, WWII) 300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) ?
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000
Suharto (Aceh, East Timor, New Guinea, 1975-98) 200,000
Ho Chi Min (Vietnam, 1953-56) 200,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-99) 100,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) ?
Richard Nixon (Vietnam, 1969-1974) 70,000 (Vietnamese and Cambodian civilians)
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83) 70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000
Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic, 1930-61) 50,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000
Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, 1947) 30,000 (popular uprising)
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 (dissidents executed)
Francisco Franco (Spain) 30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)
Fidel Castro (Cuba, 1959-1999) 30,000
Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam, 1963-1968) 30,000
Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000) 25,000
Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89) 20,000
Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe, 1982-87, Ndebele minority) 20,000
Rafael Videla (Argentina, 1976-83) 13,000
Guy Mollet (France, 1956-1957) 10,000 (war in Algeria)
Harold McMillans (Britain, 1952-56, Kenya's Mau-Mau rebellion) 10,000
Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone, 1997) 6,000
Osama Bin Laden (worldwide, 1993-2001) 3,500
Augusto Pinochet (Chile, 1973) 3,000
Al Zarqawi (Iraq, 2004-06) 2,000

Its not often we get to see the guest list to hell.
And people say that atheism is the easy option!

reply to post by TupacShakur


I have no doubt that there is torture being used against Syrian nationals who oppose the Assad regime. The guy I talked to fled the country with his family to escape it. I asked what would happen if he were to return to Syria and he said, "I'd probably be taken off of the plane after it landed, tortured, and killed."

I have no reason to doubt him.