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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by FlyingSpaghettiMonster
It's amazing how the minute there's the remotest possibility of NATO intervention, the miserable oppressors of Arab populations suddenly become blameless saints in the eyes of ATS folk. Assad has been in charge of a dictatorship and the murder of his people. They are being shot not for fighting back, but simply for voicing opposition to the government. It's the stage Libya was at *before* the war started. The half-arsed cynicism of conspiracy, painting all leaders as the same, quietly damns oppressed people, because you'll never lift a finger to help.
Maybe I just happen to prefer nationalist Middle Eastern dictatorships to Western neo-liberal colonization forces (that happen to bring death and despair to a whole other dimension when they "liberate").
And really, you're comparing Syria to Libya? You're damn rights it is the same situation. Western-backed "rebels" have assembled outside of Syria and now they are fighting the Syrian government within Syria. How? Because these "rebels" (in reality mercinaries) are portrayed by the "free media" as "democratic" elements within these "despot" states. In other words, this is an invasion of Syria by outside forces clearly under indirect influence from Western commanders.
Seriously, people who believe this crap about "liberation" are complete fools who perpetuate the death and exploitation of millions because they can't seem to figure out what is really going on. After three wars based on the same lies and exposed for being so, people are still perpetuating the same pretext for these invasions blindly without thinking intelligently.
Will you be saying the same things about the "liberation" of Iran after Islamic insurgents conquer Syria? What about when the US declares a new war on Islamic terrorism and plows right through the shambles of these new "liberated" states (that will probably deny giving their resources away to the US if they truly are rebels and not mercinaries)?
Originally posted by FlyingSpaghettiMonster
So are you telling me that Syria, Libya and Egypt were actually democracies? Or do you just support brutal dictatorships so long as they don't touch you or your way of life?
EarthCitizen07-
Things are a bit more complicated than what you assume to be true. All I know is that russia and china could have dropped a veto ballot at the UN and the attack on libya would have been either stopped or declared illegal according to international law. But they dropped an abstain ballot which meant they were neutral!
As for the muslim brotherhood it remains to be seen if they are radical or moderate islamic factions.
Originally posted by FlyingSpaghettiMonster
And who gave you the right to say what's good for other nations? How about letting them decide?edit on 14-11-2011 by FlyingSpaghettiMonster because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by FlyingSpaghettiMonster
And who gave you the right to say what's good for other nations? How about letting them decide?edit on 14-11-2011 by FlyingSpaghettiMonster because: (no reason given)
You're the one who thinks we are doing the right thing by forcing Western democracy down their throats!
I most certainly did NOT claim what is good for them, aside from stating that what is going on their is not there will, it is Western will.
Talk about disinfoedit on 14-11-2011 by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by cerebralassassins
The Official Website Of The League Of Arab States :
arableagueonline.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by FlyingSpaghettiMonster
You didn't answer my questions. Do you believe that Syria et al are not dictatorships, or do you admit they are and support those dictatorships so long as they don't target you?
I don't believe in forcing anything on a people. Want I want you to admit is that sometimes populations have wishes which contradict those of a dictator, and that it's right to allow them free expression.
You are twisting yourself into knots attempting to justify support for dictatorships, or denying the very existence of dictatorship, purely because it's your favourite enemies the NWO who are watching or offering help.
You most certainly are deciding what's good for people - because while the dictators remain in place, the populations have no choice about how they are governed.
And you do all this sat in your privileged position, arse plonked on a chair in front of a computer, talking jazz about other people's lives. Decadence, ignorance and hypocrisy all in one place. Well done.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by ludwigvonmises003
I didnt see anything in the article about Russian Military involvement or Syrian using chemical weapons against Turkey or Israel.
On a side note I do find it humerous in a sad way that Syria is perfectly ok sending arms / aid to Hamas / Hezzbullah, yet are upset when it happens to them.
With Syrias agreement, then breaking the agreement, with the Arab league, its resumed crackdown - I see Russia and China facing increasing pressure since they are now the ones refusing to help the Syrian people. There are alreadys calls being made for Russia and China to act, and I see at some point Russia / China getting blamed for civilian deaths the longer this goes on.
I am surprised Iran has not sent any more miliutary units to Syria.
I didnt see anything in the article about Russian Military involvement or Syrian using chemical weapons against Turkey or Israel.
refusing to help the Syrian people. There are alreadys calls being made for Russia and China to act, and I see at some point Russia / China getting blamed for civilian deaths the longer this goes on.
Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
Since when did muslim brotherhood terrorists become Syrian people.My friend has to roam in a bulletproof Land Rover in Syria since this muslim brotherhood started its massacres in Syria . He's even to invest in a RPG proof SUV like Kombat T-98 thanks to that muslim brotherhood scum which our govt and Turkey is endorsing .Sure good way of fighting Al Qaeda ,Mr.Goebbels.We sure are good at making everyone our enemy and american people wonder why we americans are so hated.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
As for russia and china behavior I must say it is quite strange to be honest. If you are going to bitch and moan about something, then the least you could do is drop a veto ballot at the UN. Why didn' t they? Lets reverse the picture for a moment considering they are now capitalists like everyone else, maybe they should have droppen an ok ballot and gotten involved in the rebuilding process. I mean more money for russian and chineese companies and competition for the west, right? A big circle jerk is more exciting than a small one!