Russia: Israeli threat of strikes on Iran 'a mistake'

Originally posted by jack321
What does Russia have to lose if Iran is attacked? I don't get it.

Iran is the staplepoint of Shia Islam. Attacking it would invoke the wrath of Shia muslims the world over. Even if they don't blame or attack Russia, it still destabilizes world peace much more than now.

Plus there's this thing called geopolitics. I don't think Russia is really interested in letting Iran, a major oil producing nation (which also virtually controls the Persian Gulf), fall into American hands.

Just because Russia plays the whole neo-liberal economic game that has dominated most of the world, doesn't make it a colony to any other country. In my opinion, Russia plays this global economic game just to provide the illusion that it is not a primary threat so rival countries can waste their effort elsewhere in the meantime. Russia is much more concerned about its political influence in its immediate region, which includes both eastern Europe and Asia (including Iran).

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by jack321
What does Russia have to lose if Iran is attacked? I don't get it.

Iran is the staplepoint of Shia Islam. Attacking it would invoke the wrath of Shia muslims the world over. Even if they don't blame or attack Russia, it still destabilizes world peace much more than now.

Plus there's this thing called geopolitics. I don't think Russia is really interested in letting Iran, a major oil producing nation (which also virtually controls the Persian Gulf), fall into American hands.

Just because Russia plays the whole neo-liberal economic game that has dominated most of the world, doesn't make it a colony to any other country. In my opinion, Russia plays this global economic game just to provide the illusion that it is not a primary threat so rival countries can waste their effort elsewhere in the meantime. Russia is much more concerned about its political influence in its immediate region, which includes both eastern Europe and Asia (including Iran).

Interesting. I didn't know that Russia has interests and influence over Iran, I always assumed just the former soviet states.

hmm, sounds like the words of nostradamus coming to life, he said something like when a man steps forward from the middle east, a man wearing a blue tulban, (ive posted this somewhere else to on ats), the third world war would begin, and would last for 29 years, after that when the two largest country's would sign peace something, there would be 1000 years world peace.

and a little bit of the bibel, when it said the attack would be because of the temple mountain (if i remember correctly)
it said the world would end, or somethiing

seems to me, where in for a loooong fight...

peace to you all

greets, pheniks

Originally posted by The_Oracle

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by jrmcleod

 

www.globalfirepower.com...

erm, the what ? where the heck is netherlands/holland (the small country between england and germany) in there we have an army too you know, now all other country's will say hmmm, they dont even have an army, the hippies (kidding offcourse) """LETS GET THEM"""

Originally posted by pheniks
hmm, sounds like the words of nostradamus coming to life, he said something like when a man steps forward from the middle east, a man wearing a blue tulban, (ive posted this somewhere else to on ats), the third world war would begin, and would last for 29 years, after that when the two largest country's would sign peace something, there would be 1000 years world peace.

This appears the actual quatrain that allegedly comes from Nostradamus (But you can never be sure as many have been manipulated or mistranslated or plainly faked over the years)

Century IX – Quatrain 73

The Blue Turban King entered into Foix, And he will reign less than an evolution of Saturn: The White Turban King Byzantium heart banished, Sun, Mars and Mercury near Aquarius.

It doesn't really seem to echo anything to do with the current Iran situation though.........as it states that the Blue Turban King........enters Foix in France (given to mean invades France).

Whether you believe in Nostradamus is one thing........but this quatrain doesn't match the current Iran situation........so not sure why you think Nostradamus words are coming to life.

Originally posted by minkey53
So just WHY are they (Israel and the UK / US) planning to attack Iran?
PLEASE TELL US ALL, what are we not getting???

This is what your not getting......

The plan (as always) is to destroy its infrastructure.... power generation capability & distribution grid, water treatment plants and distribution network, roads, bridges & rail network etc
Huge loans are then granted by the IMF & BIS to rebuild what the west has destroyed on the understanding that the rebuilding is done by huge western corporations: G.E, Halliburton etc
Western oil companies move in take 50% of the revenue from Oil exports, the other 50% goes to pay off the loans from the IMF & BIS but it never gets past the freshly installed puppet leaders swiss bank account.

Are you getting it yet???? Attacking Iran is nothing to do with stopping nuclear weapons development, it is about Natural resources and profit for corporations.

PEACE,
RK

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by Captain Beyond
When Iran is attacked, that will be the beginning of Armageddon. I know you non christians here think this is all BS, but all of this has been fortold many many years ago in the book of Revelations. We are now living in this time.

Actually, from what I've been observing, a lot of the obvious christian posters have been blindly supporting bombing Iran. I have little doubt that they have a preconception of the consequences. Dispensationalism is not limited to posters on ATS either; many commanders involved in making this war happen are also wishing to bring about the end of days.

Bunch of freakin' lunatics if you ask me... but at the same time, I almost want it to happen so they can be dealt with and those who wish to survive without surrendering to purgatory in the coming years can just move on with our lives.

This Christian does not want to attack Iran. I agree, there are some that are calling for an attack. To them I would say, get on the front line then. I have been in a war before, there is no glory in war, none. Let the politicians that want this grab a rifle and get into the mix! Old men sending young men to die. Let the old men die and let the young men live!

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by KryptKeeper

 

I'd prefer that none of these countries engage in nuclear antics.

What shocks me about this site is the amount of gung-ho, armchair soldiers cheering on the war hawks. That's far more worrisome because it's these same folks that got us into the other wars/messes.

I agree Sword. Let these armchair warriors go and fight this war, that are calling for war. Let the politicians that are calling for war, go and fight this war. I'm tired of seeing old men sending young men off to die!!!!! Will we ever tire of killing each other?????

I agree that all this sabre rattling is really about Natural Resources in Iran, expanding the Empire and profitting for the war racket military industrial complex. If anything, what the western powers and Isreal has been doing psychologically to Iran is to make them WANT to have nuclear weapons if they didn't already have them cus it's the only thing that could save them. I have a bad feeling about this, it seems to be in the cards that they have every intention of destroying Iran and turning it into another Libya. Although Iran is much more powerful than Libya or Iraq there is profit to be made by Iran's destruction. This whole world is going to be taken over by the New World Order and there doesn't seem to be any stopping it. The leaders of the US, China and Russia are all on board with the implementation of the NWO. That is what matters.

Originally posted by FissionSurplus
reply to post by xavi1000

 

I find it highly interesting that this Russian general warns the US of attacking Iran, and has been warning for a while, and he never mentioned Israel.

I guess he realizes that, whatever Israel does, the US will flood in right behind them and make their war our own.

Israel dictates American foreign policy. This is completely, unequivocally, and utterly unacceptable.

Has it never occured to you that the opposite might be the case?

Israel being the wardog of western interests?

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Kinda makes you wonder if the rooskies might still have one of these bad boys laying around somewhere for just such an occasion. I wouldn't want to roll those dice. Who really knows, they could have hundreds of these. Game over dude.

Originally posted by Captain Beyond

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by KryptKeeper

 

I'd prefer that none of these countries engage in nuclear antics.

What shocks me about this site is the amount of gung-ho, armchair soldiers cheering on the war hawks. That's far more worrisome because it's these same folks that got us into the other wars/messes.

I agree Sword. Let these armchair warriors go and fight this war, that are calling for war. Let the politicians that are calling for war, go and fight this war. I'm tired of seeing old men sending young men off to die!!!!! Will we ever tire of killing each other?????

Go back and read my last post please. Throwing around terms like armchair warrior. What the hell are you trying to say?? That I am sitting in my "armchair" and demanding war???? Pay closer attention before you spout off with this crap. I haven't seen one post yet that is demanding and rooting for war. Maybe that's what you want to happen since that's all you guys can talk about. You are the armchair critics and you need to check what the hell you are saying before you say it. Go back and read.

reply to post by openminded2011


Wow that vid is crazy. I'm sure they still have a few laying around.

I'm pretty sure the pilot got moved by the blast pretty quick. He must have made it because they saved the film.

Russia should know better than anyone how Iran actually plans to retaliate, and what their actual capabilities are.

In this case, I agree... It would absolutely be a mistake, with far-reaching and very devastating consequences.

Listen to them this time... THEY KNOW!

You guys are forgetting so much. Ok. Iran is a loose cannon and needs to be stomped down with extreme prejudice. The questions to answer, though, are the costs. The real reason the US is in Afghanistan is because if we eventually want a Russian pipeline running through the Khyber Pass to Pakistan carrying Russian oil to a warm-water port. Recall that the Russians tried to lock that area down once, and failed. The jury is still out on whether we can get the job done, but we want the Russian oil far more than we want the oil from the Islamic nations. The Russians will be fine with the trade. The only reason the line is not built is cultural. It's taking longer to weed out the Russian mafia and develop a good place for international business to invest securely.

This leaves the dynamics of oil and energy politics where it is now. The Iranians want a larger hand in the business, we definitely don't want to give them a dime for a lot of reasons - Hell, they're crazy as all get out at the top of their leadership. Then, look around at what is going on in the entire region. It is chaos and blood muted only by some military leaders retaining just enough control to prevent full-out war between factions, tribes, Islamic militants of various stripes and down-right criminals and evil people.

Israel stands as the only point of hope and sanity in the entire Mediterranean, in my opinion. All around them are nations going broke from failed experiments in socialist governments (God, how stupid is that - didn't the Soviet Union, the Khmer Rouge, and Chairman Mao teach these people anything!?!) and dysfunctional military despots slowly falling from power into Islamic Shariah (another form of socialism with their form of 'god' to give it credence - AGAIN?!?!

In my opinion, Israel is fully justified to use all force necessary to protect itself. If the US and the few European nations with even a scant bit of self-respect and morality left does not jump right in we really should hang our heads in shame.

Folks, like it or not, there actually is evil on this planet. And, yes, there really and truly are monsters who will kill you at the first opportunity to do so with any or even no impunity at all. They will even send their own to die to do it and call it martyrdom.

My fear is that with Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare, Obamacare, Student Loans, and the Bail outs we are right there with the other mass of socialist nations with no real way out other than full repudiation of the 'debt'. Damn. And the person at the helm is a full-out socialist who believes in the communist-socialist-Marxist Manifesto.

Wake up you fools!

Originally posted by MarksThoughts
You guys are forgetting so much. Ok. Iran is a loose cannon and needs to be stomped down with extreme prejudice.

It is far, FAR too LATE for that now.

As long as all sides are talking (even if it isn't as productive as everyone wants) people aren't being killed by the tens of thousands.

The Russian warning should be taken very seriously, it is not a threat from Russia against the west, it is a genuine warning based on what they know about Iran's actual capabilities to retaliate.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade


The Russian warning should be taken very seriously, it is not a threat from Russia against the west, it is a genuine warning based on what they know about Iran's actual capabilities to retaliate.

You are correct that Russia isn't threatening the West, but it is warning the West not to attack Iran because of the consequences that would follow, the Russian have likened this warning to the warning they gave about Afghanistan.........in other words it will be on ongoing drawn out issue.

I think you might be over stating Iran's capabilities to retaliate though........and I don't think the Russians are actually warning about the side of it.
What they are warning about is that attacking Iran is likely to further destabilise the region and raise more Islamic extremists with a new cause to rally around.....leading to more terrorist attacks........not necessarily from Iran itself but from the Islamic terrorist groups.........that is the real warning from Russia.......not Iran's capabilities to retaliate militarily.

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Iran is a "loose cannon"?

The USA is the most heinous and bloodthirsty nation in the world today. Has been for over 50 years.
Difference is, the US has the most powerful propaganda machine. Some of us can see the cracking lipstick on the pig.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade

The Russian warning should be taken very seriously, it is not a threat from Russia against the west, it is a genuine warning based on what they know about Iran's actual capabilities to retaliate.

This is the same hype they used about Iraq's "National Guard". The US are proven liars and experts in swaying the gullible and the haters.

reply to post by ThePostExaminer


That was the Iraqi 'republican guard', to be more accurate.

Iraq was the wrong war in the right place, it was thought so at the time anyway.

Turned out to be just the wrong war altogether.... If you think Iran will be just another Iraq, then what the hell are we waiting for?

They've had all of this time to prepare, since Bush named them in the "axis of evil" speech.

Get-er-dun.