NY DEC starting hydro fracking in NEW YORK STATE !!!, page 1
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Topic started on 2-11-2011 @ 09:03 AM by KingAtlas
NY state had a town hall to ban hydrofracking, but it has not been passed into law
BTW: New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC)

NY DEC wants to hydro frac in NY STATE

Here is the proposal by the DEC, there is a PDF available on the site
NY DEC

You can submit a comment directly to the DEC here about this subject
Submit comment to DEC

The public hearing is until december 12 2011
After that it will be too late


Here is a citizens campaign against hydrofracking
Citizens against hydro fracking


The only real argument I can find for, is that it would create jobs.

Honestly though, these jobs would come at a high cost. Everywhere that has had hydro fracking has had water issues, one of which is that the water lights on fire.

Lobbyist have faught hard for hydro fracking. Just look up the "Halliburton Loophole" NY TIMES

Is hydro facking even that bad...?
Read this

Okay so,I am against hydro fracking. The jobs are not worth the cost.
Hydro fracking is already in 32 states and in 2 provinces in canada. I can't even imagine the damage it is doing across the world.

edit on 2-11-2011 by KingAtlas because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 2-11-2011 @ 10:01 PM by neogeo
Originally posted by KingAtlas

NY state had a town hall to ban hydrofracking...


Not sure if the townhall meeting has any significance on whether or not New York state permits drilling leases. As far as I know drilling permits are issued by state agencies, not townhall meetings.

The only real argument I can find for, is that it would create jobs.


And natural gas. Natural gas which can be used in natural gas power plants, industrial boilers and residential heating systems.


Honestly though, these jobs would come at a high cost. Everywhere that has had hydro fracking has had water issues, one of which is that the water lights on fire.


Simply not true. There have been water issues in Texas but they have arisen due to a massive drought which won't end anytime soon, not because of hydro fracking.

Water does not light on fire because of hydro fracking. When a well is fracked it is first "stabbed" - meaning that it is cased with metallic pipes. The pipes purpose is to keep the pressure concentrated at the end of the well - in the horizontal section - at a maximum. That way the remainder of the well is not fracked.

Lobbyist have faught hard for hydro fracking. Just look up the "Halliburton Loophole" NY TIMES


As have lobbyst fought hard against hydro fracking.


Is hydro facking even that bad...?
Read this

Okay so,I am against hydro fracking. The jobs are not worth the cost.
Hydro fracking is already in 32 states and in 2 provinces in canada. I can't even imagine the damage it is doing across the world.


Worth what cost? There have been no major or even minor damages of water sheds, reservoirs or aquifers due to hydro fracking. Hydro fracking is a technique of fracturing rock, not immersing vast quantities of tainted water into wells, aquifers or reservoirs.

The fracturing of rocks 3,000-7,000 feet below ground surface is not going to have an affect on reservoir rock 50-250 feet below ground surface.

The bigger issue is waste water management. It is an issue that is hardly brought up because hydro fracking has such a scary name and has a negative connotations attached to it. After a well has been fracked there is as much as 2 million gallons of well water that needs to be disposed. Problem in the northeast is that the waste water plants do not have the capacity to dispose of the water.

Instead water is disposed of in unoffical waste areas - which could be creeks, rivers and ponds where no one supsects waste water is being dumped. Once the water is released into these areas the damage is done, and efforts to mitigate the damage are time consuming and costly.



reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 08:14 AM by KingAtlas
reply to post by neogeo



How can you say it isn't true that water well are affected by fracking. I cannot believe that.

There is a miriad of examples of this. Wells around these areas were perfectly fine, before the hydro fracking process, and then suddenly they are flammable.

To deny this is ignorant, and personally offensive.

duke university

watershed sentinal

smart planet

eriewire


Maybe you are just misinformed....


reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 11:24 PM by neogeo
Originally posted by KingAtlas
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How can you say it isn't true that water well are affected by fracking. I cannot believe that.

There is a miriad of examples of this. Wells around these areas were perfectly fine, before the hydro fracking process, and then suddenly they are flammable.

To deny this is ignorant, and personally offensive.

duke university

watershed sentinal

smart planet

eriewire


Maybe you are just misinformed....


From the first link you posted:



They found no evidence of contamination from chemical-laden fracking fluids, which are injected into gas wells to help break up shale deposits, or from “produced water,” wastewater that is extracted back out of the wells after the shale has been fractured.




The study appears this week in the online Early Edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. It is the first peer-reviewed study to measure well-water contamination from shale-gas drilling and hydrofracking.


So the first study of its kind published in May of this year shows no direct link to hydraulic fracking. That's not a miriad of examples, it is one study. The whole of the Northeast has also been a historic producer of coal and oil long before hydro fracking ever took place. There also exist natural oil seeps, methane seeps and mines in the area which can possible lead to methane contamination of groundwater.

en.wikipedia.org...

Further more, none of the posted links claim that wells were perfectly fine before hydro fracking.


reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 11:32 PM by aching_knuckles
reply to post by neogeo



Just curious neo geo, do you work for a fracking company? Or a public relations firm? Seems like you are awfully confident in this process.


reply posted on 3-11-2011 @ 11:53 PM by facewhatly
reply to post by KingAtlas



I think it's less about the chemicals and more about the change in environment that hyrofracking brings out. sounds to me that these guys are drilling 5 - 8,000 ft underground which sounds like there'd end up being a huge crack in the crust, im sure the occasional one here or there is ok, but over time it would(if not destablize the crust in some way)at least cause a slight change in position of the ground up above which may or may not be bad.

but yes......hydro fracking bad

(keeping in mind the environmental effects that i have stated are entirely speculative but either way it doesn't sound good)
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