Teen killed by U.S Drone Strike

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Possible, but even his father was an American citizen who also was due the same rights.

The rules are different from an Foreign Enemy than they are for a United States Citizen.

Our constitution does not protect foreigners, but it does protect Citizens regardless of the crime.

The order should have been apprehend not bomb simply because of the fact above. We have these rights for a reason, and we have due process for a reason.. No exceptions.. The rules of Law are the rules of law!

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Right, my point exactly. When will the day come when power won't be come a thing of abuse? The term "humane" these days has a bad connotation. Not necessarily because of you or me, but because the people who make it big in this world... are humans with horrible practices. What a shame..

Originally posted by DaMod
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Possible, but even his father was an American citizen who also was due the same rights.

What rights are these exactly? Once an American citizen "sides up" for the enemy in wartime, or becomes a participant in an insurrection effort, he becomes an enemy combatant and is subject to the rules of engagement in wartime. That means if we find you, we can kill you. In fact, we are going to try to find you...just so we can kill you.

The rules are different from an Foreign Enemy than they are for a United States Citizen.

Once you become an enemy combatant, or as some would describe an illegal combatant, you cross a line. You are no longer considered a person suspected of engaging in criminal activities, and thus entitled to legal "due process". You are considered an enemy of the state, a combatant for an enemy with which we are in a state of war. The location of your birth, or your citizenship status, ceases to become a matter of any legal consequence.

Our constitution does not protect foreigners, but it does protect Citizens regardless of the crime.

As already noted, the U.S. Constitution provides the Government special powers during times of war and insurrection. During the Civil War, for example...were lawyers used to put down the Confederate States, or were guns and cannons used? Weren't Confederate Soldiers American citizens too?

Are you suggesting that the U.S. Government of the day was required to take out Indictments on each and every one of the combatants in the Confederacy...and were required to bring each of them in front of a jury of their peers, as opposed to engaging them in battle?

The order should have been apprehend not bomb simply because of the fact above. We have these rights for a reason, and we have due process for a reason.. No exceptions.. The rules of Law are the rules of law!

Yes, but I would submit that "the law" is a rather large and complex body of instructions and standards...and that you are perhaps not fully aware of the aspects of it that apply to cases such as this.

This isn't shocking or surprising in the least.. it's to be expected...

Once the realization sets in the US ruling elite are new & improved Nazis 2.0 / 4th Reich.. 9/11, aggressive wars, torture, indefinite detentions outside laws, targeted assassinations, extra judicial secret killings, patriot act.. and all that good ole Nazi / TSA Gestapo behavior.. all makes perfect sense.

Complete with millions of re-cycled stuck on stupid drunk on patriotism 1930s Germans.. empty vessel followers.

Who would be more proud of bushbamas post 9/11 accomplishments?.. founding fathers or Hitler?..

Originally posted by GovtFlu
This isn't shocking or surprising in the least.. it's to be expected...

Once the realization sets in the US ruling elite are new & improved Nazis 2.0 / 4th Reich.. 9/11, aggressive wars, torture, indefinite detentions outside laws, targeted assassinations, extra judicial secret killings, patriot act.. and all that good ole Nazi / TSA Gestapo behavior.. all makes perfect sense.

Complete with millions of re-cycled stuck on stupid drunk on patriotism 1930s Germans.. empty vessel followers.

Who would be more proud of bushbamas post 9/11 accomplishments?.. founding fathers or Hitler?..

Interesting...but I am confused about a couple of things.

So are you saying that OWS, is actually an anti-war movement...instead of a simply being a call for "new economic fairness", and an end to corporate corruption?

OWS is about ending the "Police State"...not about the common people being able to enjoy a larger slice of our collective affluence?

And if it is all about the evil U.S. Bush and Obama collective...why are people demonstrating in places like Greece, Italy, France, Canada and China. No wait, scratch China...because the people's government there would simply mow them down in the streets if they tried to pull a stunt like this in major cities across that nation.