Originally posted by Jakko
I just watched some of the speeches on the convention, by Mccain and all, and what really shocked me was that loads of the people in the audience had
this "NATION OF COURAGE" banner in their hands.
Wtf is up with these Americans???
I tried to picture such a situation in my own country (netherlands) and I can assure you, it would never ever happen over here.
Even if people in the netherlands would think their leader has shown a lot of courage, labelling yourself as a nation of courage is just stupid.
Almost as stupid as the "whoever gets humans on mars first wins" contest.
Now a thread like this is long over due here at ats I have not seen on of these for a while. I agree the level of ignorence that is in the united
states is astonishing. But this gives good reason why website's like ats should be allowed to exist. Let's take bush and even clinton and really
look at what both of them really got away with when you boil it down this is a large problem drawn over number's of presidency's.
Here's the way I look at thing's take the most recent case dealing with sandy berger or maybe this most recent pentagon leak out of the pentagon.
If it is ok for these people in these position's to do this and get away with leaking or lending out sensitive information or policy's then it is ok
for any of us to do it and people in any gov shouldnt have a problem with websites like ats for sometime's putting on material we are not surpose to
look at or people dont want us to see for what ever reason.
For a long time there has been no accountablity anywhere not even with the most recent sibel edmonds case that in reality like the wilson case over
iraq could have and should have buried the people in the white house. People in different government or what not position's that may visit ats from
time to time and see somthing on here they concider not for our viewing or information purpose's should take a closer look at what there official's
get away with and then they can come and complain about content they see on website's such as ats and other's.
What's even funnier is we are called the loon's/extremeist/use any other name or what label you choose here but it usally allow's for dismissal of
any idea's/suggestion's/fact that usally can be found here on ats and other website's.
I have heard many idea's as to what to do about the problem as well as why to leave the ignorence problem in america alone. I dont blame people that
live outside of the united states for hateing alot of the people's ignorece inside of the united states because the denial run's too deep in the
mind's of the people of the U.S.
Year's ago I came up with a idea you know the FBI isnt that far off when hover when he was in charge of the FBI before he died came up with the
famous quote "You are on a Need To Know Basis, and you dont need to know". Hover might not have been that far off I have a new idea. Here's mine.
If the people dont care about the people trying to make change in government or have accountablity or even care about how there political leader's
get away with what they do then the "people" are on a need to know basis and they dont need to know. I think that work's alot better in helping
Year's ago I also after doing many talk's around the U.S. I found in my case when it came to something as simple as the health problem people did
not care about the health problem until they as a person became sick. Then they wanted to know the answer's as to why they were sick. So I came up
with another rule, I gave up trying to convince people as to what was real and that is part of another reason for my quote at the bottem of any post I
do. What is Real?
That is a arguement of itself that could be argued for thousand's of post's but real is only as real as a person want's to believe there version of
what ever they are used to as being real. If it is not something they are used to in there life denighal set's in, then come's dismissal of the
idea or idea's that were just presented on what ever the subject matter was, finally you have acceptance where only the person's version of what
they are used to then come's back to the mind set of the idea they have about the way thing's work and the idea's you as a person presented to them
become null and void.
It still to this day make's me wonder even why people still blow the whistle even in government or present information to people in the press. The
pattern show's government cover's up the scandle and the lies about the fact's in the controlled press.
Shall we start placing bets?
I place the bet right now this most recent pentagon leak will go no where it will be covered up in the media and the lie presented to the people the
people will buy what ever lie is presented.
Any Taker's on the time frame in which this will happen?
I bet the most recent pentagon leak will be covered up either by another war/distraction of any kind/manufactured terror event/ pick your own choosing
of what may happen but it will be covered up because people dont hold there government's accountable. And I lay bet's this pentagon leak will be
covered up before the election if we dont have any of the manufactured event's well talked about on ats such as the future bin laden october surprise
for bush's re-election/WMD's to be put in iraq with the help of iran some script like that.
So what do about the problem ats is the answer "denigh ignorence". And denigh any person with out a open mind or any kind of reasoning, this at
least keeps people like the member's of ats having there own community of open minded personality's to merge have difference's but ultimately also
still agree on many issue's of real importance.
The other answer is dont tell the people anything they are not ready to believe at least this way they may evently be able to believe that donald
rumsfeld really did authorise the torture or that the weapons of mass distruction story really was faked for oil pipelines among other thing's.
In reality there are only 2 type's of people in the world in my view and people are welcome to disagree with it or say otherwise but this has been my
Person 1: The Wiseman or Wise Women: That learn's somthing from there mistakes and does there best not to repeat them.
Person 2: The Ignorent man or Ignorent Women: That make's a mistake does not learn anything from the mistake and is more then likely to repeat the
Why many people make mistake's not many people will admit to them
I am sure I made lot's of spelling mistakes in this post but I dont care because most of the older member's of ats know I dont have the time to post
as much as I used to and plus I never was very good at spelling.
But the fact's remain that the people of america or moron's that's the facts regardless of what most people in america are willing to admit that
does not mean that its not the truth.
Ah but wait what is the Truth?
We may never know after all:
The line between what we precive to be the truth and fiction is never really decided one person's truth is another person's fiction.
Just my two cent's for today.