Occupy Melbourne Eviction For Queen's Visit

reply to post by Spruk


Haha Aussies don't need much of an excuse to stay away from work. Half of them don't even know what they want, they are just there for the free sausage sizzle. not to mention the homeless aborigines that hang out in swanston street looking for a free cheeseburger. If you live in Melbourne you know exactly what I am talking about. It's a gathering of hippies, bums and students that have no more studies for the year. Like I said Melbourne is 2011 most livable city (meaning for the average person it is the best place to live in the world for work, money and infrastructure) not much to see here other than the Melbourne hiarachy finally doing there job and shutting down the US created protests. totally pointless, its about time.

reply to post by Raivan31


Dude, capitalism has worked in Australia and continues to work.

Yes like the 96% of Australians. I have a job.

The unemployed is heavily cropped with immigrants that our county give a chance too. Like no other in the world.

Our taxes pay for the poor and most of us are happy to do so.

Occupy Melbourne is pointless when there is nothing wrong with our system. I have seen the interviews and vox pop discussions with those involved with the protests and when they are asked what they are protesting against. They are like "um, I don't know"

Occupy Wall Street is a socialist agenda driven by communist pigs.

Communism doesn't work. Hence why we are a capitalist society. If you want to share your home, money food and resources. Move to China and see how far you get on the road to equality.

If you haven't watched this develop then you wouldnt know that OWS is designed to disrupt economy. For the benefit of a rich few. George Soros and his crew have no power in Australia. Hence the clean up of Melbourne streets.

Excellent work by the government about time I say.

reply to post by Spruk

Well we can agree that the chosen location of the protest could have been thought through a little better, perhaps somewhere where it doesn't interfere with the common persons daily life but instead interfering with the politicians and bankers daily lives, which would in a second hand way end up interfering with everyone else lives anyway.

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"Do you want the government to limit the profits of banks (and big business)?
Do you want a socalist agenda?
Do you want more money for the welfare & Housing system?
Do you want easier access to higher education?
Do you want a ceiling point for wages?"

Don't know enough about socialism to be wanting to comment on that one
But everything else is sound, however there would likely be less need for a more robust welfare system if there were better access to higher education and a ceiling on wages as people would be more able to find work with better qual's.
As for the wages ceiling, thats a touchy subject.
To limit the ceo's of banks from pushing up their own wages would be a good step. But as for the average person, it would make more sense to bring down the cost of living.

At the risk of sounding like i have a socialist agenda (what i understand of socialisim anyway) I think that if people started thinking more about what they need instead of what they want many of the current social problems could be resolved.

Not relying so heavily on credit would be a wise idea as well.

There are no simple solutions to any of what we are discussing but i think what most can agree on is that there are things wrong and improvement is something we should all constantly work towards.

If people had the answer to everything then we would be perfect and there would be no problems to begin with.

Here's a conundrum for ya: Oprah Winfrey. She earned her money, she followed laws and regulations and worked hard within the system to earn her incredible wealth. But why does she NEED that much wealth? How can she justify sitting on all of that wealth while others go without? how can she justify encouraging the middle class to donate to the needy when she has more then she needs, even if she does pour lots of money towards the poor?

Another good, non-Oprah related question would be, why do banks need so much profit?

There are problems and protestors are trying to fix them in whatever way's they can think of. the problems don't effect everyone, true, but that does not mean that they don't exist.

America and Europe are hurting but we are not so much. Doesn't mean we can't still try to help

The biggest bugbear i have with all of this (not this convo, i mean the issue in general) are the people who say "not my problem, don't care, don't want to hear about it"
Were all on the same sinking boat but some of us lucky ones are on higher decks.

Originally posted by OzTruth
reply to post by Raivan31

 

Dude, capitalism has worked in Australia and continues to work.

Yes like the 96% of Australians. I have a job.

The unemployed is heavily cropped with immigrants that our county give a chance too. Like no other in the world.

Our taxes pay for the poor and most of us are happy to do so.

Occupy Melbourne is pointless when there is nothing wrong with our system. I have seen the interviews and vox pop discussions with those involved with the protests and when they are asked what they are protesting against. They are like "um, I don't know"

Occupy Wall Street is a socialist agenda driven by communist pigs.

Communism doesn't work. Hence why we are a capitalist society. If you want to share your home, money food and resources. Move to China and see how far you get on the road to equality.

If you haven't watched this develop then you wouldnt know that OWS is designed to disrupt economy. For the benefit of a rich few. George Soros and his crew have no power in Australia. Hence the clean up of Melbourne streets.

Excellent work by the government about time I say.

Yes. it certainly is working for the most part. but to say that what happens in other capatalist societies does not effect us is a big of a stretch. The capatalist system has fallen in virtually every other country in which it resides so why would you think that it can't possibly happen here?

I'm not calling for communisim and i don't think most of the protestors are either (though i'm sure there are a few)
clearly it doesn't work, particulary not when capatalisims exist elsewhere, they're like oil and water they do not mix.

I'm a fan of democracy. I want my elected representatives to be able to make decisions about my country based on what is best and what the people want rather then making them based on what 'investors' you must keep happy want.

I have a problem with the 'runaway' capatalisim, not capatalisim in theory but the current incarnation of it.
Massive reforms are needed and they won't happen if we don't demand them.

We are a Global economy, all of us in every part of the world. it is one system with microcosims making up it's parts. we rely on the rest of the world to keep ourselves healthy.

reply to post by Raivan31


Edit (sorry, i didnt mean to forget the location comment)
Yes the location could have been chosen a lot better, a protest actually would work if you are exposing yourself (and your plight) to the Pollies, so protesting on the steps of parliment would be fantastic, then the media are there and challenge the pollies on the spot, that would then garner more support from the people. Instead a lot of people sit there and wonder what is going on.

I thank you for responding construtively, as i will most certainly respond both constructively and of course with the respect the issues deserve.

Lets look at this. For the pressed of time people, the CEO of a major Airline dumped approximately 1,000 Australian workers, claiming poor (the company), yet had the stones to increase his yearly salary toe 7.1 million AUD. This to me is wrong, yes you heard me, a capitalist saying this is wrong.

Why? This instance is pure, unadulterated greed. Disagree? I'd like to hear alternative explinations.

Pacific Brands - cliffs notes (in essence), they are another example of (i this case) corporate greed. They accepted a handout from both the Federal & State governments to keep running in Australia, and yet within 12 months decided it would be more "effective" to move the company off-shore. The unions acted and the government refused to force the unions to do the business' bidding from memory.

Again i'll break this down to sections, your points in real life application for all to see :
Unemployment - This will ALWAYS be a problem for two reasons
* The sub-culture of dole bludging
* The sub-culture of i have a degree, i deserve a 6 figure salary
(Third option are the people i support, actively looking for work, to you all i do tip my hat)

There is NO way without committing political suicide the re-structure the Dole system in Australia, it just will not happen, due to the two segments above (they are do not represent the whole unemployment percentage), unless they introduce another 'work for the dole' scheme (again political suicide) i suspect this will always be a problem

Incoming Asylum seekers - These figures are removed from the unemployment records, and are listed in the Unemployment data as "off shore" CCDs just as an FYI, once accepted into the country they are still off the list for appoximately 12-24 months from memory (its been a while), this is what i suppose you could classify as an assimiliation period.

Next we will move into big business (and the example of the airline):
This to me needs to STOP, here and now. Sacrificing the livelihood of Australians because i want to buy that cute little mansion by the sea.

Relying on Credit:
I do believe i read an article (i cannot find it, so i apologise) that grocery prices in Australia have not come down since our currency has gone like a bull-at-a-gate. If anything they have increased (along with petrol prices), this is causing already stressed people to turn to credit cards and loans.

Homeless:
You see, this (as you put it) is touchy. I'll just take the current events into consideration in my response to this. Our government is implimenting the NBN, which is a 1.6 billion dollar investment, why? Who the hell knows, the cities do not *need* it, the country certainly does, so why not slim it down? give it to the country, and take the slice if pie to assist the homeless problem?

Capping Wealth (Corporations):
Well, in a capitalist world to which we live, there cannot be a cap on wealth. The constant movement of wealth is what keeps the economy ticking and inflation down. Certain business segments need to be monitored, like the banks as an example, i do believe CommBank last year posted something like $6.1 Billion AUD, this is not chump change.

Not for profit organizations:
Yes i'm going to pick on them, because im cruel and insensative. I know of a certain NFPO to which the current director is driving around in a Lexus, this is purchased by the organization... Every year..........

There are your arguments, rightly or wrongly (please correct me) and the outline of the Problem as you guys see it in Australia.

Please correct me if i am wrong of course.

reply to post by Raivan31


Technically we don't need to import, export or trade but we do. Protesting the financial sector has nothing to do with government. So yes we do elect people to make the right decisions. I can't say I am a fan of Juila or Kevin. But Johnny Howard and Costello had this country humming. He controlled the federal reserve with smart policies. Since Labour (left wing) we have had rates rises not seen since Labour was last in power. Obama is deliberately driving the US into the ground (do I really have to elaborate this point). And juila is trying the same but not to the same success. People are seeing through the BS. She wont be re elected. So really to say Occupy Melbourne has any revelance to what's going on is a joke. George Soros, the whole left wing agenda doesn't work here because like I said us hard working Aussies see through the BS. Please understand that OWS is a plan to disrupt and provoke change in big business monopoly. I don't think people understand that a strong economy needs big business.

reply to post by Thurisaz

pfft! can you quote word verbatim in any news source that states your thread title?
or are you sharing with us your opinion?

From source

The Lord Mayor said the protesters had disrupted cultural events booked for the square over the week - including Jewish and Indian festivals – and said nearby traders had suffered.

He denied the Queen’s visit was a factor.

Protest against corporate greed has been in place for a week.

Queen due to go on 5 minute tram ride straight past where protesters are.on Wednesday

You do the maths, protestors + queen = national embareesment for Melbourne & Australian Government.

Answer Send in riot squad.

Not that hard to figure out.

reply to post by Spruk


Labour and the unions are doing a great job. It took them one year to turn Johnnies surplus into a deficit. Wayne Swann is a Timothy Geitner on steroids. you only have to look at the failed policies to understand this. The real problem is the left wing socialist agenda.

Originally posted by OzTruth
reply to post by Spruk

 

Labour and the unions are doing a great job. It took them one year to turn Johnnies surplus into a deficit. Wayne Swann is a Timothy Geitner on steroids. you only have to look at the failed policies to understand this. The real problem is the left wing socialist agenda.

For the record i'm a dedicated Lib supporter, there are many failed policies centred around Labors current crisis. The problems you are specifically getting into is the balance of power, between the Greens & to a lesser degree the indipendants.

Pretty much someone needs to "pay off" the greens for support, hence the overly stupid (IMHO) carbon "tax", which will see more AU jobs being slashed, and more companies moving over seas, Along with the NBN, which is a great idea in theory, but who can afford PCs when the power cost is going to be stupidly expensive?

May i ask, why you are getting stuck into the unions specifically (besides the obvious Labor are unionists traditionally)?

reply to post by OzTruth

Melbourne is 2011 most livable city

Am I missing something?

What does this point have to do with people peacefully exercising a democratic right to protest about the imbalance of wealth, where 1% own the other 99%.

The queen is at the pinnacle of the 1%..

They are also protesting against the sort of wealth she controls.

You better run along little sheeple, your shepherdess Julia Gillard is calling your for you daily dose of fluride

Sad situation, but may you rest in peace anyway.

Sorry for the slow reply, i'm debating religion in another post

Yeah everything you said is pretty much bang on the money (that came out wrong)

The airline example you gave is a good example of the sort of thing that anger's people.

Strange how the so called radical protestors turn out to be middle class nit wits...who later in life are more wealthy than the average citizen who works from a young age...instead of bludging off their rich parents as the psuedo radicals do.

From Greenpeace to Wall street ....middle class fakers, buying credibility points, but colecting money for doing sweet FA , from either mummy/daddy....or government grants.

Real deal ?...yeah man but hey need to go home or else the oldies will cut me off, see ya at the next demo man.

Originally posted by Raivan31
Sorry for the slow reply, i'm debating religion in another post

Yeah everything you said is pretty much bang on the money (that came out wrong)

The airline example you gave is a good example of the sort of thing that anger's people.

And that is the message you (assuming you are apart of the OM movement) need to get the media. Because at this point in time, the general public are probably thinking you guys are just protesting for the sake of protesting.

To whoever it was saying "it'll take 10 years to explain it", it doesnt, it takes a drive to know what your country is doing, and what your fellow Australians are also doing (use multiple media outlets etc). So a little bit of effort goes a long way.

I thank you Raivan31 for making this constructive and informative. I wish your group (again if you are apart of it) good luck in your endevours, and make sure you keep it all peaceful, everyone has to respect that