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Originally posted by Thermo Klein
and maybe ask yourself how bits of ICE (contrails) can meander and dissipate across the sky for FOUR HOURS without melting and subtly turn into a haze. Ice doesn't really behave that way - never has.
edit on 15-10-2011 by Thermo Klein because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dplum517
reply to post by Uncinus
Unicus, stop linking your crap black and white images and anecdotal stories as proof. They do NOT = PROOF that chemtrails don't exist. They don't even equal proof that persistent spreading contrails exist today.
You treat my stories with that same respect .....goes both ways.
Meteorology certainly teaches that contrails turns into clouds and haze
Since we love to get technical ..... your story did not say the word "haze"
Also, that story is just that..... a story ....of a supposed contrail that was 3 miles (not very long in the sky) and after 20 minutes mixed in with the current cirrus clouds in the area.
That story means nothing for our current argument.
edit on 17-10-2011 by dplum517 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by vasaga
Guess someone missed the belfort group report..
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by firepilot
Yep - and it even gets 1 factual conclusion completely correct - the NATO refuelling fleet needs re-engining!
Last but not least there are a number of websites that deny the existence of
'chemtrails' in a quite cynical but scientific way. An example of this is
contrailscience.com... Its Webmaster, known as 'Unicus',
does actually hide his real identity - adding fresh meat for the conspiracy theory
grinder that it might be a government agency. However it is significant that this
website deals with any of the websites mentioned above, reducing the
argumentation of 'chemtrail' protagonists to a piece of rubble
Originally posted by firepilot
I think most all of them are KC-135Rs and KC-10As. The KC-135A have been long retired or re-engined, and the E model is gone as of 2009. The Brits may still have some of their ancient refuelers though
Originally posted by firepilot
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by firepilot
Yep - and it even gets 1 factual conclusion completely correct - the NATO refuelling fleet needs re-engining!
I think most all of them are KC-135Rs and KC-10As. The KC-135A have been long retired or re-engined, and the E model is gone as of 2009. The Brits may still have some of their ancient refuelers though
According to Victoria Hardy of The American Chronicle, Dr. Stephen D. McKay, who has studied chemtrails for over six years, believes there are four ongoing projects in our atmosphere, "The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the earth including the ultra violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the earth. This, it is hoped, will lower temperature on the surface of the earth and block ultra violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties."
"The second and most secretive project is the United States Navy's, RFMP, Radio Frequency Mission Planner, military program. The RFMP is the system name given to a group of computer programs and one of the supporting, subprograms within the RFMP system is called the VTRPE computer program. VTRPE is an acronym that stands for Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation, It is a computer Radio Frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the battlefield terrain in 3 dimensions (3-D) on a television screen. The RFMP system also depends on satellites to feed their images of the battlefield into the RFMP system to be combined with the battlefield picture painted from the ground thus producing 3-D images."
"By providing an extremely interactive and visual (television type radar screens) environment, the Radio Frequency Mission Planner, RFMP system allows the computer operator to develop familiarity with the 'Radio Frequency' environment before a battlefield war mission occurs by playing a variety of 'what-if' virtual warfare scenarios on his computer screen. Since all major modes of Radio Frequency propagation are modeled in his computer, (RFMP system), special, sometimes counter- intuitive, cases can be examined in detail and exploited during a warfare battle mission."
"The VTRPE computer program only worked accurately over water and along coastal areas but not over land masses because the system's radar waves required an atmospheric condition known as 'ducting', over land, to operate accurately."
"The government and military solved the 'ducting' problem by releasing an aerosol, a mixture of barium salts into the atmosphere over America. They made an atmospheric RF duct with a base of barium aerosol from aircraft. The chemical and electrical characteristics of the mixture will cause water moisture to stay in clouds. Again, the aerosol sets up an electrical and chemical environment that supports RF ducting for the RFMP / VTRPE warfare system. Fibers with barium may support ducting. The mixture of barium salt aerosol when sprayed in a straight line will also provide a ducting path from point A to point B and will enable high frequency communications along that path, even over the curvature of the earth, in both directions. Enemy high frequency communications can be monitored easier with the straight line A to B ducting medium."
"The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere. Weather control is a project of the U.S. Air Force and utilizes Nikola Tesla concepts of radio frequency radiation (HAARP) against the ionosphere above the earth. Fragile life support systems in our environment are being manipulated, tested and altered by government for military advantage. Air Force documents implied, 'the risks are high but the rewards are worth it.' The mixture of barium salts, supporting moisture, is encouraged along the weather fronts and manipulated in a control fashion. It is believed microwave energy is also utilized in the weather control program. Weather data is also a required input to the VTRPE program of the RFMP system. Perfected weather control technology will enable a military to withhold rain, cause floods, cause drought, cause storms, withhold sunshine, damage food crops, and bring any country to its knees without firing a shot."
"The fourth project in the atmosphere is the DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, biological detection and decontamination programs. The program also utilizes the mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in aerosol along with special polymer fibers in the atmosphere. They have released biological into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems."
"It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals, in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that are either directly or indirectly responsible, for the recent epidemic increase in cases of nose bleed, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory symptoms and a noticeable increase in arthritis symptoms, recently reported nationwide. Chemicals illegally sprayed into the atmosphere are producing atmospheric and ground conditions detrimental to human and animal health but favorable to the growth of harmful molds and fungus.
We have plenty of people watching the skies and we WANT to see 8 or 20 planes flying at once, at roughly the same altitude, criss-crossing and NOT leave these trails. We would LOVE to see that so we can stop this madness of uncertainty.