OWS a Controlled Movement for the Re-election of Barak Obama and Progressive Democrats.

I have been wondering why some people seem to be implying "there is no need to know all the details about the OWS movement, just back us up".

You would think by now people would have learned their lesson from electing Barack Obama without asking the question, "what changes are you talking about in specific"?

Now the same mistake is being made by a lot of people. They are not asking questions, and they all assume the OWS movement is a movement that will meet their demands, and their dreams.

All of us know by now that there is a lot of discontent about how the government is handling itself, and how they are pretty much laundering money to not only Wall Street CEOs, but to the elite.

So what do you do when you know there is discontent amongst the people? You create a popular movement that you can control, and that is imo exaclty what the OWS movement is.

So we are going to take a look down memory lane and see who would want a popular movement that they could control before a real movement takes roots, or perhaps to discredit a movement that already has taken roots amongst many Americans.

Even after all we have been gone through with the Obama administration for some strange reason we got people like the following amongst the OWS movement.



Now, to me the following picture is worth more than 1,000 words, literally.



Notice the phrase which is being used constantly that "we are you 99%" with the name of a few people. Under it the very strange phrase "A Government is an entity which holds the monopolistic right to ninitiate FORCE", and if you look to the left of these two signs you see another sign for the socialist party... Very telling indeed.

A lot of people are falling for the same old ploys, and imo people need to start asking questions instead of just "assuming" any movement or group that comes along which claims it represents 99% of the people and who want "change" means those changes will be good and they will be what we all want.

Anyway, apart from that another clue that tells me the OWS movement is a made up movement either by "progressive democrats" or the Obama administration itself is that we even have progressive democrats backing this movement.

Another member made a thread and posted the following video of Alan Grayson "explaining what the OWS movement is all about"...



www.abovetopsecret.com...

Why would the "progressive democrats" back this movement when Obama and his administration have been part of the problem they say they want to get rid of?

Like I said, when you know there is popular discontent, the best way to control such discontent, and to stop a real movement of people trying to stop the problems is to create your own movement, and control it.

It is also a very good political ploy to get Obama re-elected being as "progressive democrats" are backing what they call this popular movement.

I am not saying everyone is in on this conspiracy, but let's be real, many of the people going to these protests are just there because it is a sense of empowerment to them, nomatter what the protest is about, even though there are a lot of different groups all with their own ideas of what "changes" should occur.

Anyway, if anyone wants to truly "wake up", they should start asking questions instead of just "assuming". You do know what they say about "assuming" right?

I see where you're coming from with this. And i can gladly say i have done research on this since day one, have talked to people who are in the movement and can see it for myself. It is not about democrats, or anything like that. No political parties. And if someone went down there and tried to be like "oh, if you vote for me" They would be booed off stage me thinks.

Its people from every sort of lifestyle. Be it obama supporters, socialists, communists.. whatever, it matters not what someone is labeled anymore. That is how they keep the american populace divided. Just because someone 'backs' a movement, doesn't mean they can use said movement. Lol. I have a feeling people down there are smarter than people make them out to be. There are a lot of smart people there. (and dumb too of course).

You cant control a movement when a movement does not have a leader to tell them what to do. And most of the people who come with unions, actually are there because they should be as well. There is a mass education happening at occupy's all over the globe. People are being informed of the injustices in the world and in their countries. Which is always a good thing.

Even if OWS fails. The seed is planted, and sooner or later, Something will snap.

Everyone I know in the protest hates Obama. I dunno man....

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It actually is very important to find out for what reasons you want to back any sort of movement, and if you think that not knowing exactly what you are backing is being smart/intelligent, you are in for a very rude awakening.

You claim that there are no leaders to these protests? I am telling you you are wrong. These protests do have organizers because you need to get together in a specific place, at a specific time. You need to make your slogans, write one, or several speeches and memorize them, etc, etc, etc. All of this take time, effort, and a lot of people working together. When people work togethere there has to be one, or several organizers/leaders. Hence there has got to be leaders/organizers to these protests. Not to mention money to back all this up.

Meanwhile some of the slogans you find at these protests are obviously handmade, most of them were printed in color, which takes money.

Now, let's see one of those "fearless leaders" what they say their movement really wants, and why.

Let's take a look at Harrison Schultz, one of the organizers of the OWS movement.

I wasn't able to find the following video on "youtube", so I am posting a link to a website that has the video.

Do yourself a favor and watch it.

www.mrctv.org...

Part of Schultz message is that "we don't really want to fix the problems, it's revolution it is not reform" so really what he is saying is "we just want to protest just because we want to", but what are they really protesting? Wall Street?

Let's look at who Schultz is.

www.linkedin.com...

If you look at the photo in the link above, you can clearly see it is him. Here is another link with more information on who he is, and who he works for.

Harrison Schultz's Experience

Business Intelligence Analyst

Atrinsic

Public Company; ATRN; Online Media industry

July 2011– Present (4 months)New York, NY


temp

Temporary Alternatives/Renewable Staffing

Public Company; 201-500 employees; Staffing and Recruiting industry

2011– 2011 (less than a year)

Freelance Strategic Analyst

Euro RSCG World Wide

Public Company; HAV.PA; Marketing and Advertising industry

July 2008– July 2011 (3 years 1 month)New York, NY

Advanced my company’s use of data from simple demographic and attitudinal crosstabulations towards multidimensional analyses using more sophisticated statistical procedures, maps, models and algorithms based upon strong sociological imagination in my current position.


Adjunct Instructor, Department of Sociology and Anthropology

St. John's University

Educational Institution; Higher Education industry

January 2008– May 2008 (5 months)

Prepared a syllabus, bi-weekly lectures, and examinations as part of a course designed to introduce undergraduate students to the fundamental concepts of sociology and educate students about social and cultural forces influencing human behavior.
...

www.linkedin.com...

So he is a Business Intelligence Analyst, and he works for the same people the movement claims they are fighting against. Interesting isn't it?

So, let's recap. They just want to protest, but they don't really want any reforms?...

You tell me, is that really smart/intelligent?

BTW, another little fact is that one of the organizers for these events for example in Boston is none other than ACORN, but under their new name New England United 4 Justice

If you look at the bottom of the following advertisement you will find one of the partners for the Occupy Wall Street movements is New England United 4 Justice which has the same director and the same people working for the organization as when it was called ACORN.

massuniting.org...

Meanwhile the idea is in part right, the problem is the group who is behind this idea.

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Wheres the proof for this cliam? the cliam that the OWS is a Controlled Movement for the Re-election of Barak Obama? sadly i am not seeing that In Canada we are also getting these protests.

Originally posted by JustinSee
Everyone I know in the protest hates Obama. I dunno man....

Noooo! Don't you watch FOX news?! Didn't you hear?! Every protester out there is a jobless, lazy, progressive who LOVES to give Soros back rubs in his money showers. Don't mind the fact that this is no more co-opted than any other movement that has ever existed, just listen to the fact that this one has almost as many uninformed members as FOX viewers... that makes them TOTALLY WORTHLESS.

Oh, and didn't you hear? Just watch any of the biased right-winged videos to get a nice "un-biased" cross-section of interviews of the people there.

Duh.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

I have been wondering why some people seem to be implying "there is no need to know all the details about the OWS movement, just back us up".

Hi ElectricUniverse,

Just back us up?
I think there may be new developments--->again.

nesara.pdf
important document?

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Wheres the proof for this cliam? the cliam that the OWS is a Controlled Movement for the Re-election of Barak Obama? sadly i am not seeing that

In Canada we are also getting these protests.

...Where is the proof?... The same slogan of "change"... The fact that Schultz himself stated they just want to protest, they don't want reform, that change is already underway, and who brought this "change"?... The fact that progressive democrats are backing this.. The organizers include ACORN, alongside the socialist party...

reply to post by Cuervo


Did i say anything of what you claim?... Of course not...

Since you have no real argument you have to put words in my mouth, or in this case type for my hand... Right?...

Oh and btw, if you think this movement is "no more co-opted than other popular movements in the past" you obviously are trying to dellude ATS members... Do tell us please what movements from the past you claim were "no more co-opted than OWS"?... Let's wait and see his response...

Since for some reason ATS now has a pretty slender character limit for reply posts and I am thus unable to respond to all the points you bring up, I'll give it a shot.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I have been wondering why some people seem to be implying "there is no need to know all the details about the OWS movement, just back us up".

I'm wondering where you see this. I haven't seen any demands for blind support - maybe you're thinking of the Ron Paul sychophants on htis board? And the only spurce of "there's no need to know the details" seems to be coming from people who are opposed to OWS, and are not only uninterested in knowing said details, but also don't want anyone else to know

So what do you do when you know there is discontent amongst the people? You create a popular movement that you can control, and that is imo exaclty what the OWS movement is.

Your opinion is uninformed and rooted in reactionary ignorance. While a few groups - most recently some congressional Democrats - have come out in support of the movement, it's been going on since mid-September without that support. What you see isn't "control," it's a bunch of people who are trying to change their bet to a horse that's starting to pull into the lead.

A lot of people are falling for the same old ploys, and imo people need to start asking questions instead of just "assuming" any movement or group that comes along which claims it represents 99% of the people and who want "change" means those changes will be good and they will be what we all want.

All of your arguments seem to rely on your "opinion." Now, you may not realize, but the 99% thing is a catchy slogan, not an actual attempt at a numerical claim - any more than the tea party folks were conducting piracy on Boston Harbor. Next, the protest is against economic injustice. Rectification of injustice is generally beneficial for society - excepting of course those elements who appreciated the injustice (rapists before women's lib, klansmen before the civil rights movement, etc)

Anyway, apart from that another clue that tells me the OWS movement is a made up movement either by "progressive democrats" or the Obama administration itself is that we even have progressive democrats backing this movement.

Another member made a thread and posted the following video of Alan Grayson "explaining what the OWS movement is all about"...
Why would the "progressive democrats" back this movement when Obama and his administration have been part of the problem they say they want to get rid of?

Because Obama is not part of the "progressive Democrat" camp. He's a centrist, at best. Progressive Democrats have been among his biggest detractors, primarily owing to how often he capitulates to fascists and rapists. However this is troubled by the fact that, as lackluster as he is, he's STILL more promising than, oh say, Mitt Romney.

Like I said, when you know there is popular discontent, the best way to control such discontent, and to stop a real movement of people trying to stop the problems is to create your own movement, and control it.

Actually, co-opting is more effective than competition, which is why a lot of the OWS folks have been leery of this sudden support from Democratic politicians, owing to the fact that those politicians take money from the people the OWS is protesting against.

It is also a very good political ploy to get Obama re-elected being as "progressive democrats" are backing what they call this popular movement.

It's also a very good way to shoot him in the foot if he doesn't perk up and start listening. Like you pointed out, he's currently "part of the problem" - if he alters that, he's a shoe-in. if not... who knows.

I am not saying everyone is in on this conspiracy, but let's be real, many of the people going to these protests are just there because it is a sense of empowerment to them, nomatter what the protest is about, even though there are a lot of different groups all with their own ideas of what "changes" should occur.

Yes, that tends to happen when you get more than three people in a group

Anyway, if anyone wants to truly "wake up", they should start asking questions instead of just "assuming". You do know what they say about "assuming" right?

edit on 11-10-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

They say "that person says "imo" a lot!"

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

I'm wondering where you see this. I haven't seen any demands for blind support - maybe you're thinking of the Ron Paul sychophants on htis board?
...

Well, apparently you haven't been reading the responses, and threads made by various members of ATS.
As for your claim that the ones who don't want people to know exactly what changes the OWS camp want, first of all tell us, what changes are you talking about?... What the anarchists want? the socialists? the Obama supporters?... And if you are going to claim they all want the same you are only delluding yourself.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Your opinion is uninformed and rooted in reactionary ignorance.

That statement you just made right there is "truly uninformed and rooted in reactionary ignorance"... You think writing a catchy phrase like that makes you right?...

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
While a few groups - most recently some congressional Democrats - have come out in support of the movement, it's been going on since mid-September without that support. What you see isn't "control," it's a bunch of people who are trying to change their bet to a horse that's starting to pull into the lead.

Riiiight...is that why there are videos of Obama supporters in these protests?
Is that why Schultz himself stated they just want to protest, they don't want any reforms? To me that says that his group doesn't see anything wrong with what Obama's administration is doing, which would mean he backs Obama. I could be wrong, but that's the message he is giving.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
All of your arguments seem to rely on your "opinion."

Really?... Is it my opinion that the Workers Party/socialist party have been organizers in most, if not all war protests?... And even to this day a lot of protests are being organized with the help of these groups alongside some others?...

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Now, you may not realize, but the 99% thing is a catchy slogan, not an actual attempt at a numerical claim
...

I know it is a catchy slogan, but it is intended to claim a mayority of people back this movement...

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Because Obama is not part of the "progressive Democrat" camp. He's a centrist, at best. Progressive Democrats have been among his biggest detractors, primarily owing to how often he capitulates to fascists and rapists. However this is troubled by the fact that, as lackluster as he is, he's STILL more promising than, oh say, Mitt Romney.

Oooh...is that why "progressives" are backing Obama?...

PROGRESSIVES FOR OBAMA

Submitted by mike hersh on 3-24-2008 – 3:21 pmComments.


by Tom Hayden, Bill Fletcher, Barbara Ehrenreich, and Danny Glover

All American progressives should unite for Barack Obama. We descend from the proud tradition of independent social movements that have made America a more just and democratic country. We believe that the movement today supporting Barack Obama continues this great tradition of grass-roots participation drawing millions of people out of apathy and into participation in the decisions that affect all our lives. We believe that Barack Obama’s very biography reflects the positive potential of the globalization process that also contains such grave threats to our democracy when shaped only by the narrow interests of private corporations in an unregulated global marketplace. We should instead be globalizing the values of equality, a living wage and environmental sustainability in the new world order, not hoping our deepest concerns will be protected by trickle down economics or charitable billionaires. By its very existence, the Obama campaign will stimulate a vision of globalization from below.
...

blog.pdamerica.org...

Not to mention that Obama himself has stated he is a progressive democrat... But I guess you are one of those people who also claim Hitler was no national socialist...


It is obvious that you are just trying to waste my time. You wrote a lot of nonsense with no real proof to ANY of your claims, and I am not going to waste my time replying to your obvious attempt at derailing the thread.

If you had/have real proof then we would be discussing that proof, otherwise responding to your derailing attemps by insulting me, and attacking me is nothing but a waste of time.

Anyway. Here is another interesting video which shows that even the Working Families Party, a left-progressive party, is one of the organizers of the OWS movement. BTW, the WFP was in fact organized by a coalition of unions, and ACORN, alongside other community organizations.



I wonder who would a left-progressive party endorse as President?...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I wonder who would a left-progressive party endorse as President?...

Not Barack Obama.

He's left of your beliefs but that doesn't make him a leftist.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Oh, you must have thought I responded to you. There's a "responded to" thingie above posts. If you are assuming I was speaking for you when I wasn't even talking to you then perhaps you are projecting your guilt? I would never presume to speak for somebody like you. Sorry for the confusion.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Well, apparently you haven't been reading the responses, and threads made by various members of ATS.

I have actually. Have you? Most supporters of the movement know what it's about. And the detractors deliberartly misconstrue or just plain lie.

As for your claim that the ones who don't want people to know exactly what changes the OWS camp want, first of all tell us, what changes are you talking about?... What the anarchists want? the socialists? the Obama supporters?... And if you are going to claim they all want the same you are only delluding yourself.

You realize that the diversity of solutions you're banging on here actually undermines your claims that it's a "controlled" movement, right? Like i said, if you get more than three people together, you're going to have a diversity of opinion. I challenge you to show me any nationwide movement with a single solution for everything.

That statement you just made right there is "truly uninformed and rooted in reactionary ignorance"... You think writing a catchy phrase like that makes you right?...

No, what makes me right is the fact that you don't know what you're talking about, your argument is rooted entirely in your own imagination, and you show concise examples of buying into the "I oppose it because they;'re liberals!" mode of thought.

Riiiight...is that why there are videos of Obama supporters in these protests?
Is that why Schultz himself stated they just want to protest, they don't want any reforms? To me that says that his group doesn't see anything wrong with what Obama's administration is doing, which would mean he backs Obama. I could be wrong, but that's the message he is giving.

Ed Schultz speaks for Ed Schultz. Of course there are obama supporters out there. There are also Obama bashers. There are Naderites. Paul Worshippers. Diversity of political opinion again gives lie to your initial claim

Really?... Is it my opinion that the Workers Party/socialist party have been organizers in most, if not all war protests?... And even to this day a lot of protests are being organized with the help of these groups alongside some others?...

Extrapolating that to some fantasy of "control" is your imagination, yes. Given that there is no unified "socialist party" in this country (there are a few hundred organizations that claim the title, though) imagining htye have control over a nationwide movement that is now approaching the millions mark is rather ludicrous.

I know it is a catchy slogan, but it is intended to claim a mayority of people back this movement...

No it isn't. it's intended to point out that the vast majority of people in the nation are not part of the 1% that owns over 40% of the wealth. Seriously, you could at least try some basic research on the subject.

Oooh...is that why "progressives" are backing Obama?...

Yup, because there's currently no better option in the running.

Not to mention that Obama himself has stated he is a progressive democrat... But I guess you are one of those people who also claim Hitler was no national socialist...

Damn, we're not even on hte second page, and Godwin's already made an appearance. Basically yeah, obama can claim whatever titles he wants. His actions show otherwise, however.

It is obvious that you are just trying to waste my time. You wrote a lot of nonsense with no real proof to ANY of your claims, and I am not going to waste my time replying to your obvious attempt at derailing the thread.

"in my opinion" is proof now, and disagreeing is derailing. Nice. it's clear you were expecting nothing more than some pats on the back from the rest of the ignorant herd stampeding around, mooing in terror about "liberals."

If you had/have real proof then we would be discussing that proof, otherwise responding to your derailing attemps by insulting me, and attacking me is nothing but a waste of time.

Calling you ignorant when you display a clear lack of knowledge about the subject is not an insult, it's a simple statement of fact. Now, again. If this were a "controlled" movement, it would not have the political and ideological diversity you are complaining about. If it were a shell attempt to re-elect Obama, odds are it wouldn't be targeting the dude's best buddies. And if it were all organized by a socialist party, well, it'd be the best organization they've done in over a century, so kudos to them.

Originally posted by Cuervo
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Oh, you must have thought I responded to you.

What, no love?... Perhaps you need a hug?...

Originally posted by Cuervo
There's a "responded to" thingie above posts. If you are assuming I was speaking for you when I wasn't even talking to you then perhaps you are projecting your guilt? I would never presume to speak for somebody like you. Sorry for the confusion.

You are responding on the thread I created... which implies your rethoric was aimed at the content of my thread...

BTW, me projecting guilt?...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Oh my word. When somebody make a parody and you say "stop putting words in my mouth" when they weren't even talking to you... don't you think that maybe, deep down, you sort of believe it?

In any case, this is little more than "I refuse to believe A because B also believes it and that's not what C or D would like me to believe and C is pretty hot... and D is where I get my news from... oh God I wish I could think for myself..."

reply to post by Cuervo


Wait, there are letters after C?

You might have just blown someone's mind, Cuervo.

If God had intended for there to be letters after C, he wouldn't have named it "Knowing your ABC's" now would he?

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

I have actually. Have you? Most supporters of the movement know what it's about. And the detractors deliberartly misconstrue or just plain lie.

You actually think that claiming "you have" makes it so? All you have done is make claims, and trying to derail the thread by making personal attacks, but hey, that's what you are good at. At least you are good at something, which obviously does not include backing your arguments with facts. It is obvious by now that the followers are the ones lying, more so to themselves.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
You realize that the diversity of solutions you're banging on here actually undermines your claims that it's a "controlled" movement, right? Like i said, if you get more than three people together, you're going to have a diversity of opinion. I challenge you to show me any nationwide movement with a single solution for everything.

It does not do so in any way. When you are trying to get people to follow a movement and they come from most walks of life, with different beliefs but all have some kind of beef against the system and you want to control them, you don't just try to gather people from one particular group. You have to actually bring some intelligence into the argument if you want your claims to stand to scrutiny.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
No, what makes me right is the fact that you don't know what you're talking about, your argument is rooted entirely in your own imagination, and you show concise examples of buying into the "I oppose it because they;'re liberals!" mode of thought.

And what's your evidence? Nothing but lies, ad hominem attacks and claims, and btw I am very good at a lot of things, including giving some good sarcastic responses at the idiocity spouted by some.

Obama is not a progressive democrat?... riiiight, and Woodrow Wilson wasn't one either...

I opose the movement because even as organizers of the event say, or imply, they back the current status quo of the current administration, they are just trying to derail the entire blame to SOME rich people. After all, the rich leftwingers are all "trying to do what's best for the world"...

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Ed Schultz speaks for Ed Schultz. Of course there are obama supporters out there. There are also Obama bashers. There are Naderites. Paul Worshippers. Diversity of political opinion again gives lie to your initial claim

Do you even understand what the word ORGANIZER means? If you are going to discuss a topic, you need to be at least a little bit informed. As an ORGANIZER he is talking for a large group of people, not just for himself.

Here I thought the thread would bring in some intelligent arguments, but obviously the meaning of the word "intelligence" escapes certain people.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFoxExtrapolating that to some fantasy of "control" is your imagination, yes. Given that there is no unified "socialist party" in this country (there are a few hundred organizations that claim the title, though) imagining htye have control over a nationwide movement that is now approaching the millions mark is rather ludicrous.

Riiiight...and showing videos of ORGANIZERS of the events backing what I say "is just fantasy"...

Again, here I thought this thread would bring some intelligent arguments into the discussion, but alas I was wrong.