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Iran Calls Wall Street Protests 'American Spring'

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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 08:12 PM
After having read this, there are many questions that are in my mind about this. On one hand, I do admire the people that are getting out there in a proactive way to try to bring about change. On the other hand, though, I am wondering what exactly that change is going to entail, and this article brings some more questions in my mind.

1. This makes me wonder if Iran is supporting OWS, and if so to what extent? I realize that wikipedia is probably not the best source from information, but it does seem to support the idea that OWS is indeed inspired by the Arab Spring
The Arab Spring -

An Iranian military leader says the protests spreading from New York's Wall Street to other U.S. cities are the beginning of an "American Spring," likening them to the uprisings that toppled Arab autocrats in the Middle East.

2. If this does topple Western capitalism, what is the alternative to capitalism? Socialism? Communism? Fascim? Sharia Law? a return to true capitalism, the way the founding fathers originally intended?

Gen. Masoud Jazayeri of Iran's Revolutionary Guard says the protests against corporate greed and the gap between rich and poor are a revolution in the making that will topple what he called the Western capitalist system.

3. The fact that the protesters were parading around a golden calf...for those that are not familiar with the story of the golden calf, here it

Protesters Sunday paraded with an effigy of the Golden Calf in New York's Zuccotti Square. "It's a false idol, just as much as the Wall Street bull has been a false idol for so many of us for so long," Ed Needham, a protester, told the New York Daily News.

Hopefully, in the future, there will be a more clearly defined plan for what the OWS wants, but, like I said, I do admire them for getting out and actually trying to do something instead of sitting at home and complaining. But I suppose the real question is, what is that "something" going to entail, and at what cost?

edit on 9-10-2011 by Veritas1 because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 08:17 PM
Already posted my friend

posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 08:19 PM
reply to post by studio500

My apologies, Mods, please delete as deemed necessary, I will continue on in the previous aformentioned forum.

posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 08:21 PM
its fall here idiot(ahmadonejad).

interesting that iran picks the meaningless ows episode to call the american spring when hes had years to use the tea party label.

something doesnt smell right.h

posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 08:28 PM
reply to post by Veritas1

What we have lost is capitalism.
There is no balanced field of play anymore.
The players are skewing the game in their favor and there is no referee to call a foul.
In fact the referees are being paid to look the other way and rig the game.

The time of government welfare for too big to fail companies needs to come to N end.

posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 08:31 PM
-Complain about the way things are.
-Offer no alternative.

Another fruitful revolution I see.

posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 08:36 PM
reply to post by Veritas1

You can actually post this because the other one was in Breaking News.

posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 08:42 PM
reply to post by Veritas1

does Gen. Masoud Jazayeri description of these protests fire up any neurons responsible for connecting dots or pattern recognition?

What did the Egyptian PEOPLE think when Obama or any of our half wit sold out leaders were talking about the Arab spring?

If Iranian people could participate in this thread we would see they are like us. Sick and tired of violent domination. let the war mongers of the world play politics. We must connect with the people of Iran, Iraq, Egypt, China and Russia in a world wide Peace movement. If people truly want change and prosperity that is how it will happen. If we sit around and listen to what the poisoned, tainted media tells us is true we will surely be marched off to World War III very shortly after the engineered financial collapse. That is their plan.

Time to unite the PEOPLE, the GOOD people of the world in peace. There is no other way. There is no peace or prosperity for anyone if we let World War III happen. Time to wake up.

posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Veritas1
2. If this does topple Western capitalism, what is the alternative to capitalism? Socialism? Communism? Fascim? Sharia Law? a return to true capitalism, the way the founding fathers originally intended?

Well first we need to understand some of those terms.

Neither Fascism, nor Sharia law, would be alternatives to any economic system, the first being a political system the second religious law. I could argue that most countries in the world are fascist, although a more liberal version than in the past.

The only real workable alternative to capitalism, 'the private ownership of the means of production', is socialism, 'the workers ownership of the means of production'. Instead of companies with private owners, companies would be owned by those who work them. Labour would share in the profits made. This would increase money in your pocket, in the economy, and increase motivation.

Politically we could be truly libertarian. A libertarian socialist system would break down the power that governments and the state have. Capitalism is the only reason we have, and need, government and state. We have it because capitalists need it to protect their capital, and we need it because it protects us from exploitation.
Or at least that is supposed to be how it works. Really though the problems we need protecting from are mostly the result of capitalism in the first place. It's an economic system that allows the few lucky owners of capital to exploit those who have only their labour to sell. Any gains we've had as citizens have come about through the people lobbying protesting, and worker organization etc.
Socialism was born out of worker organization, Anarchism came about when the left split between Marxists, who supported the state, and those whom apposed it. The capitalists, TPTB, know the power of organization, they are highly organized, and obvioulsy fear it in the people.

When the economy slows down it's completely artificial, we do not lose the machinery to do the work, we do not lose the labour, all we lose is the ability to work. Resources are kept artificially scarce in order to control the economy. If people had access to the means of production we could produce what we need instead of trying to collect a welfare cheque. Or working to produce consumer crap in order to increase someone else's bank account.

Capitalism, nor socialism, are what the mainstream teaches us. We are conditioned to believe one is freedom and the other is totalitarianism. Other countries do the opposite, but neither are what they claim to be.

posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 08:59 PM
reply to post by RelentlessLurker

Not sure you get the point. The analogy makes a certain kind of sense. Both the arab spring goings on and OWS involve protesters taking to the streets in large numbers, with no defined leaders, just organized on-the-fly using the internet and social networking like facebook and twitter. It is pretty obvious really that OWS is taking a lot of cues from the arab spring. The tea party is something completely different. Even the london rioting and looting a little while ago shares more in common with arab spring than the tea party does.

You are right about one thing, it is not spring. Maybe it would be better to call it American Fall, or American Autumn.

posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 09:13 PM
PsyOps, just trying to sow divisiveness in America.

They know that this will just stoke the political divisions here by saying stuff like that.

posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 09:42 PM
So the theocrats/fascists in Iran are applauding revolting mobs? LOL. Its way past time those religious crazies in Tehran got Mussolini'd.

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