Originally posted by muppet
The US government lied to the UN, it's people, and the world to justify their war.
The UN didn't sanction the war.
The war was therefore illegal.
Well, I don't know alot about what makes a war legal...so I'll have to leave this until I've read up on it a little more.
Two US presidents and a wannabe US president isn't "pretty much everyone", it's a collection of US presidents. Bush said Saddam was a clear and imminent threat to the US, something the vast majority of people around the world thought was a lie, and indeed turned out to be a lie.
Well, those were just two of the examples I was listing. More people than them though that Iraq had them. You have to admit that it was reasonable to think that. Besides, just because we haven't found them yet, intact, still usable...does not mean that Sadam didn't have them. I mean, we gave them to him! We know that he used them in the past, what was stopping him from using them now? All that stretch of desert...it would be VERY easy for him to hide them.
No they didn't. rusting 10 year old ordinance from pre 1992 was all they found.
Again, I bring up the fact that most people agreed he had them, at the time that the war was starting.
But Bush said, time and time again, that Iraq was a clear and imminent threat to the US.
He didn't say Iraq was the threat...he said that the terrorists were a threat. Saddam was a threat, which I believe (as far as the terrorists go). Besides, are you saying that we SHOULDN'T have taken Saddam out of power?
You're kidding right? You think if current, usable WMD were found in Iraq it would somehow be missed by the entire world's media? And are you calling the likes of Fox news liberal?!?!
Fox news is one of the only non-liberal news station. Just about all the rest only report the bad things. They don't report the good things we've done for people...just more deaths.
In real democracies politicians have to argue their case with a real live opposition. They also have to face real, aggressive, political interviews. They have talk in front of hostile audiences. The fact the US presidents don't seem to have to do any of these things appears to be a fatal flaw in the US political system, which leads to failed businessmen with zero political acumen becoming president. Seriously, do you think that out of 280 million Americans, Bush was really the best qualified person to do the job?
First off, I never said he was best. I do support what he is doing now. I don't think he is the best, and I don't agree with everything he does. I'm sure there were better candidates, this is just the ones the republican party chose. Collen Powell may have been better..who knows. Anyway, you can't bash Bush for not debating in public, as generally none of our presidents do.
Sorry? Are you living on the same planet as the rest of us? The vast majority in EVERY european country opposed the war.
Then why are there so many country's in the war with us? Maybe the citizen's protest, but the governments are sending troops into Iraq, just like the U.S.
Retarded doesn't mean mental illness. It means subnormal development relative to the norm. Maybe you don't see it, but the rest of the world does.
Subnormal development? Now these are just cheap insults.
If Bush isn't bad for the US reputation, how do you explain all these "bush bashing" threads you complain about?
Yeah, you got me. But I don't think that they are justified.
Like you say, you have you opinion and I have mine. I hope for your sake the US remains as free as you seem to think it is. Right now you are one of the least free countries in the western world.
Least free in the western world??? I think not.
[Edited on 28-8-2004 by Herman]
[Edited on 28-8-2004 by Herman]