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Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
reply to post by Ben81
I bet someone was at the front collecting the shoe's to sell,like the kids we get at soccer games collecting all the coins after a hooligan war(they chuck coins at each other).
Bit disappointing though-the way I read the title I thought some Palestinians inside the UN building had chucked shoes at Bibi.
Then we could have had youtube vids of Bibi Vs Bush shoe dodging mash ups.
Originally posted by micmerci
Please don't hold back...tell us how you really feel
Ladies and gentlemen, Israel has extended its hand in peace from the moment it was established 63 years ago. On behalf of Israel and the Jewish people, I extend that hand again today. I extend it to the people of Egypt and Jordan, with renewed friendship for neighbors with whom we have made peace. I extend it to the people of Turkey, with respect and good will. I extend it to the people of Libya and Tunisia, with admiration for those trying to build a democratic future. I extend it to the other peoples of North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, with whom we want to forge a new beginning. I extend it to the people of Syria, Lebanon and Iran, with awe at the courage of those fighting brutal repression.
But most especially, I extend my hand to the Palestinian people, with whom we seek a just and lasting peace.
Now, some argue that the spread of militant Islam, especially in these turbulent times -- if you want to slow it down, they argue, Israel must hurry to make concessions, to make territorial compromises. And this theory sounds simple. Basically it goes like this: Leave the territory, and peace will be advanced. The moderates will be strengthened, the radicals will be kept at bay. And don't worry about the pesky details of how Israel will actually defend itself; international troops will do the job.
These people say to me constantly: Just make a sweeping offer, and everything will work out. You know, there's only one problem with that theory. We've tried it and it hasn't worked. In 2000 Israel made a sweeping peace offer that met virtually all of the Palestinian demands. Arafat rejected it. The Palestinians then launched a terror attack that claimed a thousand Israeli lives.
Prime Minister Olmert afterwards made an even more sweeping offer, in 2008. President Abbas didn't even respond to it.
But Israel did more than just make sweeping offers. We actually left territory. We withdrew from Lebanon in 2000 and from every square inch of Gaza in 2005. That didn't calm the Islamic storm, the militant Islamic storm that threatens us. It only brought the storm closer and make it stronger.
Hezbollah and Hamas fired thousands of rockets against our cities from the very territories we vacated. See, when Israel left Lebanon and Gaza, the moderates didn't defeat the radicals, the moderates were devoured by the radicals. And I regret to say that international troops like UNIFIL in Lebanon and UBAM (ph) in Gaza didn't stop the radicals from attacking Israel.
We left Gaza hoping for peace.
We didn't freeze the settlements in Gaza, we uprooted them. We did exactly what the theory says: Get out, go back to the 1967 borders, dismantle the settlements.
And I don't think people remember how far we went to achieve this. We uprooted thousands of people from their homes. We pulled children out of -- out of their schools and their kindergartens. We bulldozed synagogues. We even -- we even moved loved ones from their graves. And then, having done all that, we gave the keys of Gaza to President Abbas.
Now the theory says it should all work out, and President Abbas and the Palestinian Authority now could build a peaceful state in Gaza. You can remember that the entire world applauded. They applauded our withdrawal as an act of great statesmanship. It was a bold act of peace.
But ladies and gentlemen, we didn't get peace. We got war. We got Iran, which through its proxy Hamas promptly kicked out the Palestinian Authority. The Palestinian Authority collapsed in a day -- in one day.
The Jewish state of Israel will always protect the rights of all its minorities, including the more than 1 million Arab citizens of Israel. I wish I could say the same thing about a future Palestinian state, for as Palestinian officials made clear the other day -- in fact, I think they made it right here in New York -- they said the Palestinian state won't allow any Jews in it.
President Abbas, stop walking around this issue. Recognize the Jewish state, and make peace with us. In such a genuine peace, Israel is prepared to make painful compromises. We believe that the Palestinians should be neither the citizens of Israel nor its subjects. They should live in a free state of their own. But they should be ready, like us, for compromise. And we will know that they're ready for compromise and for peace when they start taking Israel's security requirements seriously and when they stop denying our historical connection to our ancient homeland.
President Abbas, I extend my hand -- the hand of Israel -- in peace.
edit on 27-9-2011 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Ben81
Do they sound also reasonable to you ?
Originally posted by BurningSpearess
reply to post by Ben81
I'm for Palestinian Statehood.
But for you to show, praise, and respect the shoe-throwing at Netanyahyu during his speech in your OP, Ben81, is just the opposite of making peace and you know it.
Why can't all find the good/love/peace in others without turning to bad/hate/war in others?
This is the only way there'll be a turnabout....if you want one for sure....
Originally posted by Ben81
reply to post by Humanity4Ever
I like jews or any other person in the world in general .. i knew a few and i also know a few muslim
People who oppress others and deprive them of their basic ressources and needs
crying at the same time that their are the victims
The REGIME in Israel is clearly selfish .. first they come and they grab land from others
telling that a thousand yrs ago .. suposedly God himself told them they are the chosen ones for this land
they keep building on palestinian ground .. and now they dont even want peace with a 2 state solution
Bibi doesnt want any peace and will make his orders to Obama the puppet
Iran didnt attack anyone in 200 yrs ..but the regime in Israel keep destroying their neighboor
many zionist rabbi told that 1 jew = 1000 arabs .. yelling that they are a inferioir race
zionist are mad religious and dangerous terrorist racist people
that will genocide anyone to get what they want
and if you dare critic them .. you will be labeled anti semite
The most Anti semite people i know are the zionist ones
because they are the reason jews in general get a bad worldview images
The Jews have sweared to God that no more genocide will happen
and yet it is happening to the palestinian
Jesus was a Palestinian did you know ?.. wonder who killed him 2012 yrs ago
the oppresion still continu in his nameedit on 9/27/2011 by Ben81 because: (no reason given)