Republicans Remind Obama: Democrats Are Blocking House-Passed Jobs Bills

too true that the democrats would rather see the republicans fail than to put 25 million americans back to work or get that 50 million off welfare.

all i hear is infrastructuring spending and by another dnc shill named kucinich we have 2.5 trillion to spend on infrastructure which means putting people back to work?

like those 1 million construction workers? all unionized or just bail out the unions yet agian? the first stimulus wasnt enough bailing out gm wasnt enough lets spend more money we dont have.

thats the democrats answer to everything block the gop and spend money and bail out unions.

we will forever be screwed we have corrupt poltictians because the majority of the us sheep are corrupt with the credo whats in it for me and hey free cash people will do anything we want them to as long as you promise them free cash and deleiver nothing but the failed socio economic policies that have left to over 100 million americans on welfare.

and the point of that little fact if your getting paid by taxes instead of generating a self sustaining means of wealth creation you end up borrowing from china to pay for those social programs instead of americans working and generating tax revenue then they wouldnt have to end up borrowing.

jobs have the 6 degrees of seperation i calling 1 dollar earned is 1 dollar earned by as many as 1000 to 1 million.

idiots in washington dc always have been always will be and theres never been a time in histroy that the democrat know anything about business except to kill it and run it off to china.

So What Does obama Propose To Stimulate Jobs?
This:

Obama announces $50 billion plan to boost job growth

LOSER!!!!!!

US President Barack Obama Monday promised more than 50 billion dollars to create jobs rebuilding roads, railways and airports, targeting huge unemployment and ripping resurgent Republicans.

Please Correct me if I'm wrong, Put wasn't this his Shovel Ready Job Pitch in 2008? I bet some fools out there believe him again.

Text"This will not only create jobs immediately, but will make our economy run better over the long haul," Obama said on a public holiday two months before congressional polls which Democrats fear could bring heavy losses.

NO, This is nothing more than throwing money we don't have out the window to Union Contractors.
How about just move out of the way and let the people who know how to create jobs do it.
Don't Worry Obama,, You'll Get Your Praise and Your Check!
Sorry, Sorry,,,, My Husband said I was Ranting again and show my total Discuss for this POS!

Originally posted by jibeho
There are certainly some viable opportunities within these bills.

How am I not suprised that you see viability in these bills? How is that?

From what I've seen, these bills offer little more than redirecting government support to those in need such as the unemployed to cut the debt (they wouldn't touch the military's money, that much is for sure) and of course, the magical word, tax cuts. We already extended the Bush tax cuts months ago, I wonder how that worked? Unless I'm wrong, are there GOP job bills at current that tax the hell out of corporations that ship jobs overseas? Are GOPers maintaining those plans to improve infrastructure this country so dearly needs and businesses so dearly wish to participate in?

What jobs bills again? Am I looking at the wrong ones??

Originally posted by kellynap43
Democrats do not want to see Republicans succeed.

And Republicans want to see Democrats succeed?

Right.

Originally posted by neo96
too true that the democrats would rather see the republicans fail than to put 25 million americans back to work or get that 50 million off welfare.

Welfare? You mean welfare as in medicare, medicaid, financial support from schools? food stamps? You do know these programmes are all under the umbrella of welfare right? We're not just talking about full reliance on welfare here. So what's the GOP plan again? The last I checked, they promised their constituents that they wouldn't touch medicare, even Ron Paul backed away from abolishing it.

How are they going to remove the welfare system from this country Neo?

all i hear is infrastructuring spending and by another dnc shill named kucinich we have 2.5 trillion to spend on infrastructure which means putting people back to work?

like those 1 million construction workers? all unionized or just bail out the unions yet agian?

So the GOP are going to create more jobs, by offering more tax cuts for the wealthy like they have been for last, how many years? And you'r justifying cutting further projects that would cost a further 1000's of jobs, "because they're unionized anyway"? I guess that if you're part of the union, being unemployed doesn't count in bizarro world.

Let's look at some of these bills:

The Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act (H.R. 872), To amend the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act and the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to clarify Congressional intent regarding the regulation of the use of pesticides in or near navigable waters, and for other purposes.

Because pollution control is a burden on business' who have no interest in the welfare of those down stream from their operations. If we stop punishing them for killing fish and wildlife they'll have more money.

Did everyone just forget about the Cuyahoga River catching on fire in 1969? Yes, a body of "water" literally caught on fire due to pollution.

The Energy Tax Prevention Act (H.R. 910), To amend the Clean Air Act to prohibit the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency from promulgating any regulation concerning, taking action relating to, or taking into consideration the emission of a greenhouse gas to address climate change, and for other purposes.

Let's translate that from politi-speak: Prohibit the administrator of the EPA from regulating greenhouse gases to address global warming.

Coal fired plants do pollute the air and the atmosphere, they are a major cause of global warming. We should ignore that though, if we just give power companies more money instead of punishing them for killing the environment then they'll create jobs.

The Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act (H.R. 2018), To amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to preserve the authority of each State to make determinations relating to the State's water quality standards, and for other purposes.

What does that have to do with jobs? If a company in Illinois pollutes the water in Missouri that sounds like a federal problem to me.

The Consumer Financial Protection & Soundness Improvement Act (H.R. 1315), To amend the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and ConsumerProtection Act to strengthen the review authority of the Financial Stability Oversight Council of regulations issued by the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection, to rescind the unobligated funding for the FHARefinance Program and to terminate the program, and for other purposes.

Protecting consumers from predatory lending creates jobs? Of course it does! It lets predatory lenders hire more people to prey on more consumers...of course we need to let that happen!

The Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act (H.R. 1230), To require the Secretary of the Interior to conduct certain offshore oil and gas lease sales, and for other purposes.

How's the Gulf doing? I haven't checked that forum lately...isn't there a new, unreported oil spill occurring? We should let BP drill more, that oil will just disappear.

The Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act (H.R. 1229) To amend the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act to facilitate the safe and timely production of American energy resources from the Gulf of Mexico, to require the Secretary of the Interior to conduct certain offshore oil and gas lease sales, and for other purposes.

Once again, open up those off-shore drilling rigs...safely though, but quickly too! Quick and safe go hand in hand.

and the Reversing President Obama’s Offshore Moratorium Act (H.R. 1231), To amend the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act to require that each 5-year offshore oil and gas leasing program offer leasing in the areas with the most prospective oil and gas resources, to establish a domestic oil and natural gas production goal, and for other purposes.

The title alone will automatically create jobs. More potential pollution for an already polluted industry. Excellent.

The Jobs and Energy Permitting Act of 2011 (H.R. 2021), To amend the Clean Air Act regarding air pollution from Outer Continental Shelf activities.

We don't need clean air when we're refining oil. What? Increased cancer of residents living near oil refineries? Must be something in the...um....DNA.......

The North American-Made Energy Security Act (H.R. 1938),To direct the President to expedite the consideration and approval of the construction and operation of the Keystone XL oil pipeline, and for other purposes.

It says a lot when a republican senator, a republican representative AND a republican governor oppose the construction of an oil pipeline. Nevermind that, let's just build it so we can create jobs.

A Budget for Fiscal Year 2012 (H.Con.Res. 34). Establishing the budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2012 and setting forth appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2013 through 2021.

The Paul Ryan budget...I'm not even going to bother debating this again.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by jibeho
There are certainly some viable opportunities within these bills.

How am I not suprised that you see viability in these bills? How is that?

From what I've seen, these bills offer little more than redirecting government support to those in need such as the unemployed to cut the debt (they wouldn't touch the military's money, that much is for sure) and of course, the magical word, tax cuts. We already extended the Bush tax cuts months ago, I wonder how that worked? Unless I'm wrong, are there GOP job bills at current that tax the hell out of corporations that ship jobs overseas? Are GOPers maintaining those plans to improve infrastructure this country so dearly needs and businesses so dearly wish to participate in?

What jobs bills again? Am I looking at the wrong ones??

Originally posted by kellynap43
Democrats do not want to see Republicans succeed.

And Republicans want to see Democrats succeed?

Right.

The debate was never even had with these bills to discuss any potential whatsoever. The Senate blocked them without offering any alternatives other than spending another $400 billion out of thin air. Guess what, when the money dries up so do these "govt. union jobs". Enjoy the ride while you can and save your money if one of these jobs lands in your lap. Don't go out and by that tricked out F-350.

Not sure how Obama's plan tonight will present anything new. I just hope he skips the jokes about the lack of "shovel ready projects" His plan will be a temporary boon to the construction and organized labor bunch. It still won't put my out of work mortgage broker back to work or the thousands being laid off by B of A.

Hey think about it,most Democrats consist of welfare recipiants,public social programs etc,they are all ready conditioned for a socialist society,only reason Obama was put in office,all the entitlements storys he told,now he's riding the fence

I'm surprised the Republicrats are still discussed seriously here. Yeah, it's one sides fault there's no jobs, wait, it's the other side, no wait, the other side....

The whole time it goes down the toilet. It's not an accident. It's not mismanagement. It's not incompetence. It's on purpose, and the time is running out for arguing about anything let alone the left/right made up crap. I mean seriously.

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Again, in most cases the regulations in and of themselves sound fine, they sound like good things to have on the books. It is the compliance and general over reach by the government that is problematic.

The money wasted in the inefficient application of make work regulations and their enforcement could be eliminated and that money returned to the tax payer. The point is that both, having a clean environment and facilitating competetive business can be achieved, but when you have an EPA that can shut your business down, demand access to your business records at a moments notice and an EPA that actually has an armed response unit, we have passed the limit of sanity.

The real irony here is that the more difficult we make it for US business, the more manufacturing is sent over seas where they have scant environmental regulations. So, the good environmentalists who care about Mother Earth are putting responsible businesses out of business or at least capping their growth in the US which causes production to increase in places where they dump chemicals right into the environment.

Environmentalists in the US are actually making the planet dirtier, not cleaner. If you actually looked at the environmental problem holistically at a global level, the EPA is responsible for massive amounts of pollution.

The bigger and more intrusive the EPA, the fewer American jobs, the fewer products produced in the US where the knowledge, technology and motivations facilitate clean production and more production is shipped to countries where they don't care one iota about the environment. At the end you have Americans out of work and a dirtier planet.

Oh, but the intentions are good so its cool.

Originally posted by jibeho
The debate was never even had with these bills to discuss any potential whatsoever. The Senate blocked them without offering any alternatives other than spending another $400 billion out of thin air. Guess what, when the money dries up so do these "govt. union jobs". Enjoy the ride while you can and save your money if one of these jobs lands in your lap. Don't go out and by that tricked out F-350.

Not sure how Obama's plan tonight will present anything new. I just hope he skips the jokes about the lack of "shovel ready projects" His plan will be a temporary boon to the construction and organized labor bunch. It still won't put my out of work mortgage broker back to work or the thousands being laid off by B of A.

I'm going to do something I rarely do, I'm going to make a prediction. What did the stock market do after obama made his rousing speech after he lost us our AAA rateing? It took a nose dive. I predict that the stocks will take another hefty dive after this speech. Why do I say this? Because those in private industry have zero faith in obama and his (LOL) leadership ability, and private industry is where the jobs are. And that doesn't fit into obamas plans. .

Originally posted by dolphinfan


The bigger and more intrusive the EPA, the fewer American jobs,

Nope.

I understand this is the GOPs bullet point this election cycle.."regulations kill jobs", but maybe the American public would be more gullible to this pandering to the GOPs campaign contributors if we weren't still recovering from a near economic collapse and envirornmental disasters spurred by lack of regulatory oversight.

Let's pretend for a moment that Americans are in fact that stupid and don't remember the financial crisis, the BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico etc. Let's pretend we have collective Alhzheimers.

Let's just ask Corporations what the hold-up is in hiring?

Over Regulations...right? That is what the GOP tells us? Right?

Well the Chamber of Commerce and the Heritage Foundation did a survey aimed at supporting the GOPs rhetorical need to please their money backers....and even then...look where regulations landed.

When FORCED TO CHOOSE AMONGST 5 choices for "Obstacles to Hiring" (Not open ended question-but forced to rank and choose from the options given) If they weren't forced to rank 5 choices, I suspect regulations might not have even made the list.

(1) Economic uncertainty
(2) Lack of sales
(3) Uncertainty about what Washington will do next
(4) The requirements of the healthcare bill
(5) Too much regulation

www.uschambersmallbusinessnation.com...

So tell me again how less regulations will create jobs?

BTW - When the survey drilled down on "Economic Uncertaintity"...Gridlock in DC ranked high on the list. Higher than Regulations.

What is killing the economic recovery? GOP Obstructionism....Damn the Country, Obama must fail.

The GOP stomped hopes of a recovery this year into the ground with the Debt Ceiling debate and the crappy bill they were so proud of and the subsequent S&P downgrade.

Repeal the EPA regulations and the Koch Brothers get richer and Average Americans get sicker...and the middle class will still suffer, likely more with larger medical bills.

Complete Plutocratic propaganda.

After the EPA the GOP moves on to eliminating the minimum wage, OSHA and child labor laws...not hyperbole...eforts are already underway in many states.

A return to the factory conditions of the eary 20th century...yippee! Unemployment will stay the same though because the new jobs will be staffed by 9 year old boys working 12 hours a day trying not to get their fingers eaten by machinery.

Originally posted by Indigo5

When FORCED TO CHOOSE AMONGST 5 choices for "Obstacles to Hiring" (Not open ended question-but forced to rank and choose from the options given) If they weren't forced to rank 5 choices, I suspect regulations might not have even made the list.

(1) Economic uncertainty
(2) Lack of sales
(3) Uncertainty about what Washington will do next
(4) The requirements of the healthcare bill
(5) Too much regulation

www.uschambersmallbusinessnation.com...

So tell me again how less regulations will create jobs?

You wrote all that based on nothing more than what you "suspect" to be the truth? Fortunately, even if you "suspect" they are wrong, the experts in the field have a lot more empirical data to base their decisions on than just "suspecting" or "feeling".

See, this is the prefect example of why when liberals say they "feel" on an issue instead of thinking, they often end up with the wrong answers.

Now, to deal with your last question all you do is have to compare what's been going on in the overly regulated U.S. with some other industrialized nations. If you want to build anything here, you have to go through a blizzard of regulations before you even find out if you can build what you want. Net result is that many jobs are lost because projects end up not happening.

Example, the U.S. badly needs a high speed rail system. What happens? the project never gets off the ground as millions and billions are spent dealing with regulations and doing studies on things like whether the San Francisco garter snake would be impacted. I know, I've served on city planning commissions and been amazed as even the local government tries to involve itself in the minute details of EVERY project. In other countries, such as china, or the more developed middle eastern countries, you can watch them building new infrastructure all the time. They want a new high-speed rail system, they just build it. They want to build the world's tallest building, they just build it.

Based on your past posts, I doubt you will take my educated word for this. So, I urge you to answer your own question by attending several of your own local planning commission meetings to see over-regulation in action and then understand how that actually does affect jobs.

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Indigo5

When FORCED TO CHOOSE AMONGST 5 choices for "Obstacles to Hiring" (Not open ended question-but forced to rank and choose from the options given) If they weren't forced to rank 5 choices, I suspect regulations might not have even made the list.

(1) Economic uncertainty
(2) Lack of sales
(3) Uncertainty about what Washington will do next
(4) The requirements of the healthcare bill
(5) Too much regulation

www.uschambersmallbusinessnation.com...

So tell me again how less regulations will create jobs?

You wrote all that based on nothing more than what you "suspect" to be the truth? Fortunately, even if you "suspect" they are wrong, the experts in the field have a lot more empirical data to base their decisions on than just "suspecting" or "feeling".

I think you are...unsuprisingly...confused. I suspect that if they weren't forced to rank from given choices rather than provide their own, that Regulations might not have made the list.

As it stands though Regulations ranked last as reasons not to hire.

Where you not able to understand the survey?

Originally posted by centurion1211
In other countries, such as china, or the more developed middle eastern countries, you can watch them building new infrastructure all the time. They want a new high-speed rail system, they just build it. They want to build the world's tallest building, they just build it.

Because those are ROYAL DICTATORSHIPS and COMMUNIST REGIMES. They build on the farmers land and if he complains they lock him up.

Wow...Democracy just too messy for you?...advocating Dictatorial Regimes? ...be like China...?

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by centurion1211
In other countries, such as china, or the more developed middle eastern countries, you can watch them building new infrastructure all the time. They want a new high-speed rail system, they just build it. They want to build the world's tallest building, they just build it.

Because those are ROYAL DICTATORSHIPS and COMMUNIST REGIMES. They build on the farmers land and if he complains they lock him up.

Wow...Democracy just too messy for you?...advocating Dictatorial Regimes? ...be like China...?

edit on 8-9-2011 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)

OK, check out what's being built in Europe then. Like the new CERN facility making all the physics news these days while the competing facility in the U.S. (Texas) was CANCELLED.

Here's information on what they thought the Texas facility would do for jobs and the economy before it was cancelled:

source

Edging out six other states competing for the $4.5 billion particle accelerator, Texas stands to gain 4,500 construction jobs, 3,500 permanent jobs and an estimated $20 billion boost to its economy over 25 years.

And on my suggestion that you go to some meetings to try and educate yourself to provide the answer to your questions?

You willing to try that?



Fighting feelings with facts. Sort of like bringing a gun to a knife fight ...

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Obama's Administration and Party are Currently GUILTY Of the Following........

Over the Top Regulations on Americans Businesses .
Over Taxation on Business Operations .
Adding to the Future Costs of doing Business in America around 2014 with the Passage of Obamacare .
Unchecked Spending contributing to our Ever Increasing National Debt .
Catering to Unions for Votes while Ignoring the True Needs of ALL Non Union Workers in this Country .
Outright Contempt for ANYONE who Critizes or Questions their ongoing Socialist Agenda .
Their Illogical Fixation with the Word " GREEN " leading to Selfrightous Delusions of True Reality .


I could go on , but whats the Point ? They ALL need to be Eliminated from the Power of Public Office by the People of this Country before it is to late and America becomes just another Economic Wasteland and it's Constitutional Republic Utterly Destroyed ..........




RISE America , Now is the Time to Raise yours Voices and Fight Back against this Tyranny !

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so lets see 75 million ameircans generating their own income instead of getting paid by other people who are already paying for their homes and their education and their food and their own healthcare has to pay for those 75 million.

just how many jobs and revenue would they create instead destroy other peoples.

that is a stimulus that would have wroked but nope whats the answer

raise taxes on people who are already footing all their bills.

meh

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" raise taxes on people who are already footing all their bills. "

Ah , Socialism in America , love it or Leave it !


I'd rather be Self Fed than Dead ! ..............

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i leave it because all their "goodness and joy" is a lifetime vow of poverty.

i love that saying " self fed than dead" because thats what the are the living dead

their todays their tomorrows no better than their yesterdays.

Not seeing one job in this entire thread proposed that would have been created by any of those bills. How about instead of lying about who is blocking what, you Repubs get on your people to ACTUALLY create some jobs bills that create actual jobs.