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Topic started on 7-9-2011 @ 05:53 AM by Vitchilo

Mexico Says U.S. Man Smuggled Grenade Parts for Sinaloa Cartel

Police have arrested a U.S. man for smuggling American grenade parts into Mexico for use by the Sinaloa cartel, and a U.S. official said the case has now been included in investigations into flawed law enforcement operations aimed at gun-trafficking networks on the Mexican border.

The arrest of a man who Mexican police identified as Jean Baptiste Kingery has provided details on a network that allegedly supplied hundreds of hand grenades to Mexico's powerful Sinaloa cartel.

In Washington D.C., Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said the department's inspector general has expanded that investigation to include the Kingery case.

"The department is aware of concerns raised" about the Kingery case "and has been looking into it," said Schmaler. "We have notified Congress about this operation and offered to brief them on it."

Schmaler did not say specifically why the greande-smuggling case was being investigated, but the Wall Street Journal reported that Kingery had been detained in Arizona in June 2010 and then released, purportedly because officials wanted to use him as an informant or in a sting operation.

Aka they arrested him... then released him and knowing full well what he was doing, and even helping him (so they could get information) supplied hundreds of grenades to the cartels.

OBAMA, HOLDER AND ALL THE TOP ATF LEADERSHIP NEEDS TO GO TO FREAKING JAIL FOR THIS.

This isn't all of it. After operation Gun Walker, that gave thousands of guns to Mexican drug cartels, and after that case of grenades being given to cartels, there was also ``Operation Castaway`` operating out of Florida, giving guns to Honduras criminals.

This is totally disgusting. This isn't just one rogue office of ATF that did this. It was backed by the FBI and ordered by Obama... It went down at several ATF offices, in Florida, Indiana, Arizona and who knows where else.

More info :
Gun Walking In the Midwest
A very complete article on it all.

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In October 2009, a prosecutor in the Kingery case told ATF agents that "We cannot approve [allowing] the illegal export to be accomplished," according to an email read to The Wall Street Journal. Prosecutors and Justice Department officials have cited the email to investigators to contend that the ATF agents failed to get clearance.

But the ATF agents disagree and cite a January 2010 email exchange that appears to show high-level approval. The latter email described the operation in detail, including a plan to let Mexican authorities track the suspect in hopes of finding a grenade-manufacturing facility in Mexico.

Mr. Burke, then the U.S. attorney in Arizona, is among the officials in the email exchange and responds to the summary of tactics: "Agree [with] the course of action as the variables play out." The email exchange was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

Mr. Forcelli said in a statement, "I am very proud of the work the ATF did in this case and I can assure you that at no point did we ever endanger the safety of the public with our actions." The statement said he described aspects of the case in a deposition with congressional staffers and the Justice Department inspector general's office.

This whole thing was high level. They can't deny it. There's proof.

People need to have justice. Hundreds if not thousands of innocent people were killed in Mexico as a result of these scum actions. Obama, Holder, the ATF and the FBI are terrorists, and they have killed people, innocent people.

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reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 06:02 AM by BruceEFury

reply to post by Vitchilo

This sickens me. People get tortured just for conspiring terrorism in this country.
And there releasing this guy after they just caught him with a sh*t load of live weapons?

A sad and embarrassing day for America. Thanks for sharing.

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 06:06 AM by buster2010

First there is no evidence that this man works for the government. Second you say they let the man go they didn't had you read the article you would have known that his under house arrest which is hardly being set free.

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 06:07 AM by Vitchilo

Originally posted by buster2010
First there is no evidence that this man works for the government. Second you say they let the man go they didn't had you read the article you would have known that his under house arrest which is hardly being set free.

He's under arrest NOW, but he wasn't when he was smuggling grenades to drug cartels for the ATF.

Read more.

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 11:01 AM by the owlbear

I'm sure our lovely cia and other government agencies have given more and more powerful weaponry to these Mexican drug lords. Can't keep poor folk down without a steady supply of crack in the 'hood. Why all this complaining now?

reply posted on 14-10-2011 @ 06:20 PM by DavidsHope

Hope your still watching your thread: I truly believe this is a screaming serious problem.
There are some new stories on this online, one from CBS news as follows and the link is dated

www.cbsnews.com...

October 14/2011

They keep saying prosecutors would not charge this guy? What prosecutors..they said Arizona Prosecutors? so no word on the ATF part of the involvement but these grenades dis walk and thousands of them and because "Prosecutors" would not intervene, they let them all walk over the border.

This is so crazy it makes me sick. Worse than the guns ...much worse.

Somehow this story needs to go viral.
DH

reply posted on 14-10-2011 @ 06:50 PM by BadNinja68

Originally posted by buster2010
First there is no evidence that this man works for the government. Second you say they let the man go they didn't had you read the article you would have known that his under house arrest which is hardly being set free.

I laughed at this post.
House arrest mean you are free to go to your own home, under the promise that you wear a little tracking anklet, and be a good little criminal.
It's basically freedom, and lets you go stay at home and only leave to do approved business.

So yea it IS alot like being set free.

reply posted on 14-10-2011 @ 07:04 PM by St Udio

reply to post by Vitchilo

ATF gave hundreds of GRENADES to Mexican drug cartels...

this action and the gun running scheme now getting uncovered...

is just about the same kinda crud the USA Agencies did to the Afghani 'Mujahadeens'...
supplied them with massive amounts of arms/weapons/RPGs/stinger missiles/ and assorted land-mines which the Obama regime still refuses to condemn
~ however the USA kept complete control of all the various 'cluster-bombs' ~ yeah, peace-prize President Øbama...

see, whats going on...is that the intel Agencies wanted the warlords to kill-off one another in Afghanistan in the '80s---- and they reaped the Osama ben Laden revenge &/or the 911 operation

and they are supplying arms to Mexico drug cartels for the same result--- kill one another in cartel/warlord in-fighting--- i expect the cartels to wake-up and smell the treachery and another 'blow-back' event will befall the USA !

this is all so despicable

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reply posted on 14-10-2011 @ 07:27 PM by MysticPearl

Yet open carry is now illegal where I live. I guess we're the problem, while the government sends AK's and grenades across the border to cartels.

Fuzzy logic.

reply posted on 14-10-2011 @ 09:44 PM by buddha

OMG! GRRrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
!%$£ &^% $%*"£ %$" *&^!$"!!!!
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stupid ideots!
from the Very top they are crooks.

It would be ok If the grenades whent off
as soon at they pull the pine.

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