To make matters worse Palestinian leaders are calling for massive protests and are insisting the protests will be peaceful, but if we use history as our guide I can see this turning ugly very fast.

The waiting game has begun...

Thoughts?

Peaceful end result? Non peaceful end result?

What would happen if the vote in the UN fails to gather the supposed support the Palestinians claim? Will that be an end to the 2 state question? Would that open the door for all out war once and for all?

Since Palestinians are taking this to the UN, do you think Israel should take hamas to the UN regarding their charter to havethat forcefully changed?

Originally posted by Xcathdra
To make matters worse Palestinian leaders are calling for massive protests and are insisting the protests will be peaceful, but if we use history as our guide I can see this turning ugly very fast.

The waiting game has begun...

Thoughts?

Peaceful end result? Non peaceful end result?

What would happen if the vote in the UN fails to gather the supposed support the Palestinians claim? Will that be an end to the 2 state question? Would that open the door for all out war once and for all?

Since Palestinians are taking this to the UN, do you think Israel should take hamas to the UN regarding their charter to havethat forcefully changed?

Add two other factors... Obama just came out publicly asking the Palestinians to delay the vote and give more time. He has to be kidding....less than 3 weeks from a date we've all known was coming for months??

Well, no doubt as to America's weakness on this one now, in case anyone had wondered. Then...What day is it the Turkish Warships are supposed to be escorting that Aid Convoy into Gaza? It couldn't be around the 20th could it??

I think it's going to get real ugly when the Palestinians try and simply crate their state right over the existing borders. If they get their vote and they hit the streets....Both sides will be one stupid move away from open conflict on the spot...and Israel's neighbors may just feel justified in supporting a U.N. vote on the statehood. This doesn't have an upside I can see, can you? S/F.....and I'd give the MSM one too if they'd just mention this in more than a passing, dismissive way.

I think that no matter which way the UN vote goes, there will not be a peaceful resolution here. That whole area is a powder keg - Israel, Syria, Egypt, Turkey, Palestine, Iran. September 20 is just the spark to set the whole thing off.

Something just doesn't sit right with this...

Seems like something is heating up.... Just keep a close eye on this one.

most important news i've seen in weeks and coincides with something i am being moved by

gadhafi fires on peaceful protestors demanding freedom and democracy, the u.s. and nato arm them to the teeth and train them to grab freedom with arms.

saddam hussein oppresses his people, according to bush, and america sends in the military, the country is bombed to the pavement, saddam gets tried and hung.

israel is now faced with peaceful protesters demanding real freedom, not just the right to use google, and are most likely going to be shot up to pieces. israel gets 3 billion, a "stern" hillary clinton blaming unarmed protestors for getting shot, no mention of freedom and a .000000000001 millisecond news report at 3 in the morning claiming that 400 militants were killed while israel defended its border.

With the UN resolution, Turkey's recent response to the flotilla/blockade issue, and the demonstrations in Israel over economic concerns all seem to be pointing to this being a flash point preparing itself for detonation. Will be watching with extra concern - for us all.

With the number of Palestinians that are going to come out for this "protest," I do not see how anyone can say this is going to be a peaceful event. It won't be, and one side is going to blame the other for starting it. The Palestinians will be the ones holding the ball after the UN votes NO, so all of the blood will be on their hands imo.

If the vote goes the other way then it may be Israel with the blood on their hands, but I bet that we will never really know who is to blame if this really kicks off. I just don't see the UN agreeing with this, considering the backlash will be horrendous.

All hell is about to break loose in the Middle East.

My thoughts go out to the soldiers and civilians that are about to die due to this madness.

Yeah a lot of events seem to be coming due on the same date... The Floatilla, the vote, etc....

The vote itself is not to create a Palestinian State. The vote is to essentially show that the world supports the creation of one, and is meant to place pressure on Israel. Interestingly enough though the article is worded in a weird manner. If you notice, it only refers to protests taking place in the West Bank, and leave Gaza and hamas out of the picture.

I am curious if that was done on purpose.. I know Hamas and Fatah were suppose to be forming a unity government, and they wanted it in place prior to the vote, howeverI have not seen any progress in that area.

As far as blocking the vote and one of the permanent members could block the call for the vote, so it remains an option if the Palestinians wont postpone the vote on their own.

In addition to the concerns others have brought up, you also have discussions in the UN regarding Syria, which Russia has stated they will veto, you have issues surrounding the ICC and Israel / Palestinian issue, you have turkey wanting to escort vessels, you have Egypt deploying more military units in Sinai at the request of Israel, who in turn have beefed up their border with Egypt, including an increase in naval units.

You had the recent attack on Israel from Gaza from an unknown group (or so Hamas says). You have Egypt looking at scrapping their peace treaty with Israel.

Jordan, although quiet, is having its own internal issues. They also have massive protests against the government, however they have been a little bit smarter about their response to the protesters and have conceded some demands.

I would say the powder keg is full and in place, and all that is needed is for someone to hold a match to the fuse.


As far as President Obama goes - I still have not figured out which interest he actually represents. He is one of the few Presidents who seems to not really have any interest on taking sides. I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing to be honest. The world demands the Us get out of world affairs, while demanding we help at the same time.

If Israel comes to the conclcusion they can no longer count on the Us as an ally to have their back, its possible that that will be the match to the fuse. Israel will take stronger actions in order to ensure their security, and the Arab world will go bonkers over it.