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reply posted on 7-5-2003 @ 07:07 PM by Aeroking
I found it, here it is:
MOSCOW, Russia -- Chinese President Jiang Zemin and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin have signed a new "friendship agreement," the Itar-Tass agency reports.

The so-called Good Neighbourly Treaty of Friendship and Co-operation replaces a 50-year old agreement intended to defend both countries' mutual interests and boost economic and cultural trade.

But some observers say the treaty is a move to strengthen their mutual opposition to the U.S.' plans for a global missile defence system. Both countries want to preserve the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) pact between Moscow and Washington as a basis for international stability.

Washington argues that the ABM pact is a relic of the Cold War and wants the treaty amended or scrapped. U.S. President George W. Bush has made clear he will not allow the pact to stand in the way of a new missile defence system.

China and Russia fear the proposals could spark a global arms race and prompt the renewed production of nuclear weapons. They say scrapping the ABM treaty would undermine a whole series of arms reduction treaties reached over the past 30 years and eliminate an effective instrument of maintaining international stability without offering any alternative.

"Russia and China stress the basic importance of the ABM treaty, which is a cornerstone of the strategic stability and the basis for reducing offensive weapons, and speak out for maintaining the treaty in its current form," Tass quoted a joint declaration by Putin and Jiang Zemin as saying.

The leaders also called for further reductions in strategic arms and for the creation of a "global nuclear non-proliferation mechanism," Reuters news agency said.

"Russia and China will step up their co-operation in nuclear non-proliferation including efforts to encourage all members of the international community to join the Nuclear Non- Proliferation Treaty," the declaration said.

Both Moscow and Beijing have stressed the new friendship agreement poses no military threat to the U.S. or any other countries.

Jiang's pre-planned visit comes after the U.S.' successful test of a missile interceptor over the weekend.

Russia's nuclear arsenal dwarfs that of China, which analysts say is keen to speed up military expansion through an alliance with Moscow.

Russia's defence industry is rich in expertise and advanced weapon design but short on orders from the country's own impoverished military.

During the 90s China has been the biggest customer at Russian defence factories, buying billions of dollars worth of Russian jets, submarines, missiles and destroyers.

But despite this, some have pointed to inconsistency in the Russian-Chinese alliance -- who this year have only traded $3.8 billion compared to $115 billion with the U.S.

There has also been concern in Russia about Chinese migrants taking over the sparsely populated Far Eastern and Siberian regions of the country, Reuters said.

The new treaty replaces the Soviet-Chinese alliance of the 1950s.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, both countries have put aside their differences and forged what they call " a strategic partnership."


reply posted on 10-5-2003 @ 09:18 PM by bb-gun
Originally posted by BlackBox20
It would be a stalemate- USA wouldnt have the $ to fight a long war with china. China is too big to conquer. China spent only 14 billion last year on national defense...that's it. We spend that in 2 weeks for the bogus dept of homeland defense...remember duct tape?

Safe to say there wont be any chinese invasion any time soon but it will come eventually.





I think people over estimated China's military capability. China has not invented a single piece of military equipment that's not a copy or a variation of western or soviet design for the last 50 years. From the basic AK47 to the new J-10 fighter, just about everything in Chinese military inventory came from a design somewhere else.

The truth is China just does not have the heavy industrial capability, and they are at least 20-30 years behind US. Hell, have any of us ever see a Chinese made commercial car selling anywhere around the world. No. They do not. Believe it or not, I was in China three years ago, and saw some part of china still using steam locomotives. It's safe to said, even the US hand over the blue print of F-22 to China, they won't be able to produce one from their own factory within 10 years. (BTW, that does not mean they won't be able to produce a missile specifically to counter it)

Honestly, there are no reasons for China and US to go to war. Only desperate people want to destroy the world (N. Korean is one). USA is one of the largest importers of Chinese goods, and China's fast growing economic is completely depending on western world. Without China, we will be paying $500 for a phreaking Japanese DVD player, instead of $100. Why on earth we want to destroy one another?

Not to mentions China has nuke, and yes! "SARS!!" If Saddam have those, you think we will be going to anywhere near Iraq.
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