I have always wondered why we don't arrest these "ex-terrorists" for past crimes.
Doesn't make sense to me.
That they haven't been arrested shows that they are quite possibly con-men.
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Topic started on 14-7-2011 @ 04:27 PM by babloyi
CNN recently had a segment about Walid Shoebat, a dude that claims to be an ex-terrorist, and uses his "specialised knowledge" to give lectures:
Terror Training Fraud
Unfortunately, it turns out that he's a fake. The Jerusalem Post also did an article on him a couple years back. Originally he claimed that the Waleed Shoebat Foundation was a charity registered in Pennsylvania. The state said they had no record of any such charity registered. Then he claimed it was registered under a different name, that only his manager knew. It is also noted that the Foundation makes no annual reports to the state and federal government (which would be necessary if it was a registered charity).
So Waleed is scamming money off the government, as well as well-meaning donors.
But that is just scratching the surface of the industry!
We also have Ergun Caner, an ex-muslim Former Christian minister who originally claimed to have been a terrorist, and claimed to have been indoctrinated during his years in Turkey as a teenager. However, his claims to being an ex-terrorist have been shown to be false, and that he emigrated to the US when he was 3, so he couldn't have been in Turkey as a teenager. He later admitted he had been born in Sweden. After 2001, he suddenly changed his name from Ergun Michael Caner to Ergun Mehmet Caner, and wrote a couple of books to cash in on the terrorism rush going on at the time.
Other examples of some of these guys who use their ex-muslim status to gain a little cash are Zachariah Anani and Kamal Saleem, both of who have grave factual inconsistencies in their stories (such as hilariously and obviously fake accounts of how they'd killed hundreds of Israelis and such, which makes it all the more funny that people believe them...the US government is just letting self-confessed mass-murderers roam around their country?). But you don't have to be an ex-muslim to get in on the Terrorism Money-train.
There is also Brigitte Gabriel, who made crazy exaggerated claims about her life in Lebanon, and how she lived in a bomb shelter for seven years (which was proven to be false) and how she was harassed by Hezbollah for those seven years (between 1975 and 1982), when Hezbollah was formed AFTER 1982.
Of course, again, you don't even have to be a former muslim, or from the middle east, as Robert Spencer (the guy who runs JihadWatch, and has also been shown to have ties with neo-nazi and fascist groups), and Pamela Geller, a jewish blogger and activist (who runs the atlasshrugged blog, awash with false claims such as how Obama's mother was engaged in pornography, and how Obama was involved with a "crack-whore" in his youth), who, hilariously enough, until recently was closely involved with the EDL in the UK, until she realised that they hated jews as much as they hate muslims.
THESE PEOPLE have appeared on CNN, on FOX, all over the media, they have been funded by the government (through the tax money of US citizens, of course) to give lectures, speeches, some were called on the recent anti-muslim hearings, etc.
It is obviously a big money-making racket.
Now certainly, not all the people who will be involved in this will be as "fake" as the ones I've shown here, but it gives an interesting perspective on how easily we are willing to accept and promote people who play on our fears, without checking into the background of these people.
Terror Training Fraud
Unfortunately, it turns out that he's a fake. The Jerusalem Post also did an article on him a couple years back. Originally he claimed that the Waleed Shoebat Foundation was a charity registered in Pennsylvania. The state said they had no record of any such charity registered. Then he claimed it was registered under a different name, that only his manager knew. It is also noted that the Foundation makes no annual reports to the state and federal government (which would be necessary if it was a registered charity).
So Waleed is scamming money off the government, as well as well-meaning donors.
But that is just scratching the surface of the industry!
We also have Ergun Caner, an ex-muslim Former Christian minister who originally claimed to have been a terrorist, and claimed to have been indoctrinated during his years in Turkey as a teenager. However, his claims to being an ex-terrorist have been shown to be false, and that he emigrated to the US when he was 3, so he couldn't have been in Turkey as a teenager. He later admitted he had been born in Sweden. After 2001, he suddenly changed his name from Ergun Michael Caner to Ergun Mehmet Caner, and wrote a couple of books to cash in on the terrorism rush going on at the time.
Other examples of some of these guys who use their ex-muslim status to gain a little cash are Zachariah Anani and Kamal Saleem, both of who have grave factual inconsistencies in their stories (such as hilariously and obviously fake accounts of how they'd killed hundreds of Israelis and such, which makes it all the more funny that people believe them...the US government is just letting self-confessed mass-murderers roam around their country?). But you don't have to be an ex-muslim to get in on the Terrorism Money-train.
There is also Brigitte Gabriel, who made crazy exaggerated claims about her life in Lebanon, and how she lived in a bomb shelter for seven years (which was proven to be false) and how she was harassed by Hezbollah for those seven years (between 1975 and 1982), when Hezbollah was formed AFTER 1982.
Of course, again, you don't even have to be a former muslim, or from the middle east, as Robert Spencer (the guy who runs JihadWatch, and has also been shown to have ties with neo-nazi and fascist groups), and Pamela Geller, a jewish blogger and activist (who runs the atlasshrugged blog, awash with false claims such as how Obama's mother was engaged in pornography, and how Obama was involved with a "crack-whore" in his youth), who, hilariously enough, until recently was closely involved with the EDL in the UK, until she realised that they hated jews as much as they hate muslims.
THESE PEOPLE have appeared on CNN, on FOX, all over the media, they have been funded by the government (through the tax money of US citizens, of course) to give lectures, speeches, some were called on the recent anti-muslim hearings, etc.
It is obviously a big money-making racket.
Now certainly, not all the people who will be involved in this will be as "fake" as the ones I've shown here, but it gives an interesting perspective on how easily we are willing to accept and promote people who play on our fears, without checking into the background of these people.
reply posted on 1-8-2011 @ 01:47 AM by babloyi
Just updating this thread again with some interesting relevant information... two of the "participants" in this Terrorism Industry having become
deeply embroiled in scandal due to their connection with the Norwegian terrorist.
Robert Spencer, of course, was quoted extensively in his manifesto, and praised highly for his views.
More interestingly, stuff from Pamela Geller's history is catching up to her. In 2007, she posted a letter from an anonymous Norwegian about the troubles in Europe. It had this gem in it:
Interestingly enough, if you visit that page today, that little bit is removed. But you can still see it in an older Google's cache of the site:
atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com... .html&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8" target="_blank" class="postlink">Google's Cache of the page
(There appear to be some problems posting the link here in ATS, hopefully you can get access to it)
And compare it (from that link) to the current page. There is even a comment by Geller herself in the comments explaining that she hid the author's name due to possible problems with the Norwegian police.
Considering Breivek's chumminess with this group, it is very possible it was him.
Robert Spencer, of course, was quoted extensively in his manifesto, and praised highly for his views.
More interestingly, stuff from Pamela Geller's history is catching up to her. In 2007, she posted a letter from an anonymous Norwegian about the troubles in Europe. It had this gem in it:
We are stockpiling and caching weapons, ammunition and equipment. This is going to happen fast.
Interestingly enough, if you visit that page today, that little bit is removed. But you can still see it in an older Google's cache of the site:
atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com... .html&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8" target="_blank" class="postlink">Google's Cache of the page
(There appear to be some problems posting the link here in ATS, hopefully you can get access to it)
And compare it (from that link) to the current page. There is even a comment by Geller herself in the comments explaining that she hid the author's name due to possible problems with the Norwegian police.
Considering Breivek's chumminess with this group, it is very possible it was him.
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