Originally posted by smallpeeps
So resisting like Robin Hood, or Jesus, and defending the helpless ones, brings bad karma? Tell us more about your worldview. Heroism, and defense
against the horrible corporate persons who wreck the world on a massive scale, should be done in court? Is that right? Or the farmers should just
lie there and let the GloboCorporations do as they please? Ah, you would have them go to court or ANYTHING so long as they do not struggle against
the headlock being placed on them via market manipulation and death-marketers like Monsanto?
How is beating up the man doing any justice? Did he make a plan to sell bunk seeds on purpose, or did the seeds happen to have failed? It's just
vengeance. Maybe it makes some people feel good. This reminds me of the thread about whether it's okay or not to steal from a big corporation. It's
still stealing, regardless of whether you feel you deserve to sock it to them for firing you or not.
They could try going to court, but they probably signed a contract they didn't understand. In the end they would either have to turn to violence or
accept their losses. Which of these two would you support? I think the bible says God would prefer the latter. Be even more righteous than the
Pharisees and all that.
I really don't think marketing is coercion. You have to still choose whether to buy the product in the end or not.
Yes, they are, as I have explained. You are running away, hiding within the pages of a book you do not understand, supporting hellfire with
determination. Your skill is to project death and suffering onto everyone in the name of the Hebrew God, as you explained, there are none others. I
understand lawyers as being from talmud, and from tyrants.
Would you really characterize all lawyers as evil? What about some lawyers who do not support the bad guys? Hellfire is real; I have felt the fires.
The crucifixion is real too. I have felt the marks. God is real. I have felt the light. Whether we like it or not hell is very, very real. People try
to deny its existance, because the consequences of there being a hell is terrifying. But only when you finally know there is a hell you know that the
world is heading that way and that to avoid it is to repent and hold your self to a higher moral code, even if it means you will be despised by many.
That means that just because something is popular, doesn't mean it is correct. Again, with that in mind, just because people are thirsty for
vengeance, does it automatically justify their deeds? Stealing is wrong, no matter what the intentions are. You can accept moral relativism, and the
idea that the ends justify the means, only so long as you keep denying eternal judgement. Most people say that the evil done to them have made them
evil, but nevertheless if they commit evil, they will be just as accountable as the people who made them that way, because chances are they were made
evil by others too, and if God punishes them, He will punish you too.
I feel that God is merciful, and it is you who are promoting folly, by siding with hellish corporate persons. You didn't explain why you
choose to allow law to be misused by the people in power. You fail massively in what God wants from us, which is to defend the weak. As at the end
judgement when he asks "When did you try to help the weak?" ...And your answer to him will be "Never, I tried to make it harder for them. I told
them to sit tight and take it."
You're making it an us vs them scenario. Because I find beating the employee up ethically questionable, I stand up for him. Simalarly I stand up for
both the rich and the poor alike, the popular and the unpopular alike. Simply defending this man to not get beaten up for something the higher ups do
is what I feel is fair. Bill Gates supports population control, so should the people opposed to population control implicate the workers of Microsoft
of the same deeds or stance? Should all bank tellers be shunned for working for banks? I can just say I stood up for the unpopular (the socially weak)
in cases where I felt were unjust to them.
I guess you summed it up nicely, you believe in hell and will quote scriptures to that effect. We agree to disagree as to the origin of the
bible and its message. You believe in a vengeful God, and to wait on him. I believe in a merciful God, who rewards heroic action while we are alive.
So we have explained our Gods, mine is merciful and simple to understand, and likes heroism. Yours (god of talmud aka law as a weapon) is cruel and
prefers to collect power in the lawyers, judges and corporate persons of today. My God hates the state of thi world, yours loves it, and prefers you
to meekly and quietly accept what His evil agents do. Am I sketching your God correctly?
Incorrect. My God is one of great mercy, but also of great vengeance and great wrath. I will not ignore one aspect of what He is simply because it's
not politically correct to. And he rewards true heroism, not what the world considers heroic, but the true intentions and true motivations of a
person, because He is all-knowing. I don't see anything heroic about beating up the man. It was all about people seeking vengeance in my eyes. And
people just cheered because the hated Monsanto.
It is true that people can see Jesus as a wimp, turning the other cheek all day. That's cute that you fall back on that, but you see, he was
being tricked when he gave that response. So it is folly to quote it as a saying of Jesus, it is a response to a trick question.
What do you have to say about praying for those who persecute you? Or if a man sues you give him your coat? Was He tricked then?
We can see from Jesus' actions, that he hates the merchant class and the coinchangers, and the lawyers, and the builders of churches. Sorry
you can't see that. One of us is suggesting a valid way to change the world today (by resisting evil) and one of us, is saying the same old crap,
and sketching Jesus as an impotent dead man whose message was, "get slapped and like it".
He didn't hate them because of their profession, but because of what He saw in their hearts. He saw the hypocrisy in their hearts, and their love for
money over God. You have to accept His claims that He knew the measure of all men, like when He claimed to see someone when they were part of the
earth. I am sketching Jesus the way I read it, keeping His sayings of mercy, forgiveness, righteousness, and love in addition to His rebuking of
hypocrites and lovers of money. God is not just merciful, but also vengeful and one who can have terrible wrath. Sorry you can't see that.
I guess that's the beauty of Jesus in that he left his legacy to be seized up by your people (talmud lawyers and hellfire tards) and to run
with it. They have built a sickening group of churches on Jesus' words, and he never told them to do that. I see Jesus as being extremely angry at
that. People who speak as you do, are numerous, and tiresome, and do not help anyone.
The gospel is both one of grace and one that strikes fear into people. The hellfire turns off people, but it is true. Just because you don't want
there to be a hell doesn't mean it isn't so. I tried to deny it, but in the end I had to accept it if I were being honest. You will not accept the
testimoney of people who have seen it or felt it, so what can I do? I disagree with your premises. There is scriptural evidence that Jesus did want to
start a church. Even for many of the orthodox traditions.