posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 07:25 AM
Hi there Aeon (+ a bunch of ones and noughts....):
One must remember that the text of the Hebrew "bible" was made up of traditions that were spoken first for several hundred years and morphed into
different recensions by different priestly groups in different Israelitish-Canaanitish cult centers (Shechem, Shiloh, Gilgal, Bethel, Megiddo, Dan
etc.) then finally codified after the Babylonian Exile (BC 587-521) then written over and re-written/edited-redacted more than a dozen times over the
centuries until as late as the Macabbean period in 165 BC, and that the result we read today in these texts (4 major families of the Torah exist, none
of them match exactly, e.g. the SamPent, the Vorlage to the LXX, the Masoretic Text and the Qumran families of MSS) is far closer to "midrash"
(hagaddic moral-story) rather than "history" in the modern positivistic sense (i.e. rather than "scientific facts").
The "dating" schema in the Masoretic Texts (with specific AGES and REIGNS of KINGS, or the SOJOURN IN THE WILDERNESS with MOSES which try to form
specific patterns of 480 years between Moses and the 1st Temple of Solomon etc.) DOES NOT MATCH the schema of dates/ages/times/years in the LXX or in
the SamPent which shows that the final redaction of the socalled Masoretic (received) text of the Old Testament is an artificial midrashic construct
to point to 165 BC as being a key date in the "timeline if Israel" (i.e. the time of the Macabbean re-taking of the 2nd Temple from the Syrian Greek
Much of the contents of the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible) is legendary and moralistic, rather than purely scientific anyway:
Or do people on this thread actually "believe" (!) that Joshua commanded the sun AND THE MOON to stand still so he could finish a battle and be
avenged on his enemies? (read Joshua, chapter 10, written by the same literary hand who wrote the core of the so-called book of Deuteronomy and at
least one of the severely different versions of the book of the prophet Jeremiah (compare the LXX with the MT, and there are 13 chapters missing in
the LXX) , i.e. c. 500 BC, long after the time of Moses-Joshua)
With respect to the dating issues in Bere#h ("genesis") don't forget to mention some of the many other thriving ancient cultures in speficic places
in the world (BC 9500 to BC 5500) e.g. the impressive(pre-Sumerian) Harappa culture (still being unearthed as we write) in northern India, which
seems to have had quite a thriving "civilisation" even by modern standards, with "hot and cold running water pipes " and "apartments specifically
built for travelling businessmen along the trade routes" (to quote the great Hindu scholar Dr. Werner of Univ of Durham) as early as 8,500 BC...
Other archaeological discoveries which basically trash the timelines and "historical" presuppositions in the socalled Torah of the Jews are being
exposed by science now, even as we write i.e. as the digging continues, especially in central Asia...
Just remember, "STORY" not anything like modern ideas of "HISTORY" ...when it comes to the writings of the Jews (ditto for the gospel writers),
where the setting into writing of "positivistic history" was not part of their Weltanschauung...and they are no different in many respects from
their older and far more sophisticated neighbours such as Babylon, Assyria and Egypt from whom the tiny states of ancient Israel-Judah borrowed their
literary devices and myths during long years of occupation by these larger nations....