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Originally posted by Nygdan
Am i wrong in thinking that this means he also claims to be a Mason (what with the scottish rite and all)? And where did he get these Illuminati rites?
Can anyone speak as to this claim of being a mason?
Also, does anyone know how he explains the existence of these 'american illuminati'?
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
Originally posted by Nygdan
Can anyone speak as to this claim of being a mason?
If he is a Mason, he should be able to give you his Lodge name and number, and the name of his regular Grand Lodge. If you want to make the effort, you can contact the Grand Secretary of his Grand Lodge and ask if he is a Mason. Most Grand Secretaries are quite cooperative in this matter. But I strongly doubt he will be able to give you even these simple credentials.
Originally posted by european
Hi,
First of all, you must know that Gabriel L�pez de Rojas doesn't join in Regular Masonry, but in Irregular. I suppose you understand me.
In www.ordeniluminati.com/illuminatiorder.htm, you can read: "L�pez de Rojas incorporated in the Rite of the Illuminati Order (Operative Rite of The Illuminated of Bavaria) his experience as high degree in several masonic Rites like Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite (33�), Ancient and Primitive Memphis-Misra�m Rite (96� and 97�), Egyptian Rite�"
Well, all of these degrees are recognized by official Lodges like Logia Jano of Uruguay and others 'legal' Lodges. You can read more in website.
If you need to know anything else, I advise you to visit Illuminati Order website
Originally posted by european
Several orders in USA are inheriting of Bavarian Illuminati. So it's not impossible anybody contacts them.
Illuminati Rites have been publicated.
On the other hand, Logia Jano had a website, but I don't remember its address. Sure you can find it in Google.
Originally posted by Cug
Rojas is the current head of the S.O.T.O. a group that lost a court battle over who is the "real" O.T.O.
IMHO his Illuminati Order is just his way of taking his ball and going to another playground.
Originally posted by TgSoe
5. Marcelo Ramos Motta, Frater Parzival, 1962-1987
Originally posted by Cug
Originally posted by TgSoe
5. Marcelo Ramos Motta, Frater Parzival, 1962-1987
This was the guy that lost the court case.
The whole "O.T.O. Wars" thing can be interesting reading... if you can find anything with all the flames. In fact it was the way S.O.T.O. supporters acted that told me who the real O.T.O. was. (and it sure wasn't S.O.T.O.)
Originally posted by TgSoe
I find the OTO very facinating and would join it if I had one close to me but unfortunately I don't have. What exactly is the SOTO? I have never heard that term and can't seem to find a break down on that acronymn.
Predictably, this doesn't really override loyalty to the rules of the order. As it is explained in the Minerval ritual, if it is your will to enter the OTO army as a spy to destroy your comrades, so be it! But if you break the oath, expect to be mutilated and be "no more a man
Originally posted by TgSoe
Here is an hilarious quote form some of Crowleys work that cracked me up earlier-
"Predictably, this doesn't really override loyalty to the rules of the order. As it is explained in the Minerval ritual, if it is your will to enter the OTO army as a spy to destroy your comrades, so be it! But if you break the oath, expect to be mutilated and be "no more a man"
Originally posted by neo344
Who is the H.O.A.T.F?