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Originally posted by michaelmcclen
Prison is not supposed to be a holiday camp, diffrence between these prisioners and the jewish people of WWII is that these prisoners where convicted by jury of their peers and I for one hate to see my tax dollars go for them to sit around all day and play the system.
Make them all work, train them and give them skills they can apply outside prision.
edit on 30-6-2011 by michaelmcclen because: grammar
Originally posted by drsamuelfrancis
I am so offended that you can even consider comparing this to what Hitler did to the Jewish people.
There is a big difference between murderers, drug dealers and peadophilles compared to innocent civillians that were tortured and killed, or do you see them as "equal"?
"First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller, about the inactivity of German intellectuals
Originally posted by drsamuelfrancis
I am so offended that you can even consider comparing this to what Hitler did to the Jewish people.
There is a big difference between murderers, drug dealers and peadophilles compared to innocent civillians that were tortured and killed, or do you see them as "equal"?
Many of those opposed to prison labor in the US cite article XX of the GATT which states,
Subject to the requirement that such measures are not applied in a manner which would constitute a means of arbitrary or unjustifiable discrimination between countries where the same conditions prevail, or a disguised restriction on international trade, nothing in the Agreement shall be construed to prevent the adoption or enforcement by any contracting party of measures:
...
e) relating to the products or prison labor.
This article states in clear terms that the GATT agreement in no way restricts the use of prison labor as long as it does not violate any other terms of the contract while at the same time leaving "prison labor" open to individual interpretation. It makes no mention of wages to be paid, labeling or human rights.
UNESCO and its affiliated organizations have also made many references and agreements on the use of prison labor, mostly in regards to human rights. For example, the Convention concerning Forced or Compulsory Labour under the ILO discussed and defined forced labor in the international marketplace. However, the Convention provided for, "the suppression of such labor in all its forms subject to exceptions relating to compulsory military service, normal civic obligations, convict labor and minor communal services" (UNESCO 72). So, this agreement, and others like it under UNESCO, makes prison labor an exception.
Originally posted by MainLineThis
Worthless prisoners taking jobs from desperate americans. They are worse than your average illegal alien I guess.
I say, 3 strikes and your out. Out as in we shoot you dead. A bullet is cheap. Sure, a few percentage will be innocent, but there is always a margin of error (with medicine, elections, the design of your daily driver). I am willing to personally pull the trigger on every scumbag who is on his/her third strike myself. I would sleep like a baby....even knowing a few a year were innocent.
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Originally posted by Raelsatu
reply to post by michaelmcclen
So you think somebody who's caught with some drug should be sent to a work prison, forced to work for 23 cents an hour for 10+ years to pay off their fine/sentence??? And did you not know that there are multiple incentives for lobbyist to corrupt the system because it benefits them to put more people in prison?? There's PROOF out showing that private prisons make profit with the more prisoners they withhold, so they influence the laws and courts in response. You missed the main point of this thread, which just goes to show the level of ignorance thriving today.
Originally posted by Lono1
You forgot to mention that the "some drug" usually finds its way into the united states by governmental means. Please don't jump on the discredit bandwagon before you research "Air America", "Iran/Contra" and the CIAs connection to importing coc aine into L.A.. Not only does our GOV import it, and make money off its sale, but it also makes money off of its prosecution of drug crimes by prison labor.
many people just don't believe this is possible...... that's why its called "The Prison-Industrial Complex"
"Prison Industrial Complex" (PIC) is a term we use to describe the overlapping interests of government and industry that use surveillance, policing, and imprisonment as solutions to what are, in actuality, economic, social, and political "problems." ..................
The processes by which this unequal power is garnered and maintained include: creating dominant media images that perpetuate stereotypes of people of color, poor people, queer people, immigrants, youth, etc., as criminal, delinquent or deviant; earning huge profits for companies that provide goods and services to the prison industrial complex; facilitating political gains; increasing the influence of prison guard and police unions; eliminating social and political dissent by people of color, poor people, immigrants, and others who make demands of self-determination and reorganization of power in the United States.