New video details origin of Anonymous and LulzSec hacking collectives

New video details origin of Anonymous and LulzSec hacking collectives

www.ibtimes.com

"Out of the swamp that is 4Chan, two groups of hackers emerged. The first Anonymous practice hacktivism, using DDoS attacks against numerous targerts, such as Iran, the Church of Scientology and Amazon.com."

Shifting to a picture of LulzSec members laughing gaily on a flying pirate ship the video continues, "LulzSec on the other hand, are pranksters happy just to take down random sites for Lulz"

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Now don't get me wrong this could all be another propaganda video or what have you but what its saying seems to have some merit or then again i to could be a victim of mass media hypnosis.

Although it does seem to fit the bill as the mere name of lulz does suggest the lol. But there is another post that indicates another origin of lulz by a member within ats.






www.ibtimes.com
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And now we have the insertion of a third "collective" (interesting choice of words) to add to the hackitivity we have been seeing... 4Chan

"Despite past associations, 4Chan users are out to take down LulzSec anyway they can. Will the hackers of LulzSec be applying their computer skills elsewhere soon?"

Except, 4Chan, and many know, is about as much an organization as a flea market.

I have no doubts that many associations crop up from 4Chan which some might characterize as the 'wild wild west' of the internet lurker scene; I think we are witnessing first-hand, how memes are inserted into the public mindset.

I suspect, aside from the notion that categories like LULZSec, Anonymous, and now "4Chan" are potentially valid; they are more for the convenience of governmental posturing.

Look for China's "non-existent" military cyber-warfare operations to figure prominently within the 4Chan circle... and by extension, many governments' nascent cyber activities to happen where the oversight is minimal and opportunities to 'use' others are plentiful.

This stuff is simmering. Can you hear the slight knock of the lid as the occasional bubbles leakout?

Hmm, in what way, does 4chan differ from all these other hypocritical domains? What things does chan-ism represent, that is not seen or heard anywhere else on teh webz? Hahaha, funny stuff. You kids are gonna get all children put in kid-jail. I hope you are happy lulzsec and Anonymous! The future child-prisons are all your future fault!

I am waiting for the real shaznatt, this balloon is blowing bigger and bigger, and bigger. Hehehehehe, but what be the pin to pop it, when our leaders are Boehners and Weiners and Bushs and Gores? DERP. I have to say though that lulzsec is way more fun and entertaining than any politicians, lobbyists, or gomers pyle.

But watch those botcoins yo, I read some dude got 500k worth of them stolen! Stealing some other person's digital currency? The nerve! Aheh. Yeah. I think thumb drives will soon be called "ass drives" cause that's where people will hide them. Laugh out loud!

Yo ho and a bottle of dumb!

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Indeed and what is interesting is that they are all from China. Obviously 4chan is kinda disorganized but that is one of their true assets, no form of structure, well not in public but if this true then both of these orgs are very well in a structure order regardless of how...lets say 4chan operates in public view. So could 4chan be indirectly involved as the referee between rival groups. Considering that China has now made it illegal to develop any form of virus code punishable by prison ( death if you dont serve us ), i guess time will tell.

Did anyone else live through the Warez Wars?

I'm having quite a bit of dejavu... obviously the activities are different but the social structure is absolutely the same.

I wonder if the affects we saw come out of the warez wars, are indicative to what will come out of this.

For one example....
Though I do dig on the theory that Napster was a grand ploy to get people to rip CD's for free - this action inevitably lead to musical marvels like mp3's and their players. So it wasn't all bad

Many people were more than happy, literally enjoying, and yes doing it for free, the entire rip process including but not limited to 15 minutes a megabyte transfer speeds (thats 45 to 55 minutes per mp3, for your quick conversion pleasure, and anywhere from 6 to 12 hours for one game or one piece of software, compressed, usually the bigger the better)

To be fair, I should give a bad example too right?
Lots of people like Metallica lost money and had to change the way they make money from their music
You know how much they hate going on tour....

Basically I guess I'm just trying to ponder both the good and the bad that can come out of this, and the more I learn of these people, the more they look like the Warez people

Okay I need to clarify things. I wish I could scream at the TOP of my lungs...

4CHAN IS AN IMAGE BOARD. WITH LIMITED RULES. NOT AN ORGANIZATION.

On 4chan you can find posts and pictures about COMICS, PORN, GAMES, TABLE TOP GAMES, MORE PORN, PARANORMAL (A lot of ATS like topics), RANDOM IMAGES AND MEMES, ANIME, SCIENCE/MATH, EVEN MORE PORN.

4chan is JUST a meeting site for ANYONE and EVERYONE. It has been around for a long time. Moot, the creator, has even been in Time magazine. Alright? Nothing suspicious about 4chan. Its not a group. Its not an organization. Its a website for discussing random topics associated with the board-type. Just like ATS.

/b/ is the random board. This is where Anonymous spawned (not all of it but a lot of it.) Their activist/attacks started as internet pranks, and moved to in-person protesting of the church of scientology. Not all of Anonymous are hackers. Everyone is automatically a part of Anonymous as long as their REAL NAME is not revealed. So you will see lots of masks at real protests and on videos. V for Vendetta was a huge inspiration on their "theme" - the hackers associated with Anonymous took it to the level of responding digitally. At first with DDosing then more elaborate hacks as necessary.

They usually pick up a cause that the group as a whole likes. Imagine a sports stadium. One person begins shouting BLUE! The guy next to him begins shouting BLUE! - Eventually the entire stadium shouts BLUE! as they all point to the sky. Thats about how Anonymous works. Until someone shouts, pointing at GREEN! and everyone else does to. There are individuals who act alone in the name of Anonymous and the organization as a whole is not "unified."

LULZSEC takes it back to the roots. Origionally Anonymous did stuff for laughs...then got more serious. LULZ seems to be more interested in doing things just to do them and see how much they can get away with.

All in all - 90% of both groups are bored people who want to be entertained.

Eitherway, even if both are SOMEHOW secretly operated by _insert organization or individual_ - 4chan is not. 4chan is neutral meeting grounds for the most part - unless it involves illegal activities (See: Illegal porn types or drug sales etc.)

4chan DOES become a faction when it is attacked - as ANY group spawned from 4chan and still pro-4chan will defend it. LULZSEC to fa/tg/uys.

I'm a fa/tg/uy. I go to the /tg/ board - Traditional Games. We talk about Dungeons and Dragons to Warhammer 40k - share stories of experiences, ideas for new things, and generally laid back chatting. /sci/ is a lot like ATS' Space Exploration and Fragile Earth boards. Talking about all sorts of brainiac stuff.

99% of 4chan can not hack in the slightest. A very select few can do any sort of damage. The rest are bored employees at dull jobs killing time on boards relative to their interest. Nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by Foxe
Okay I need to clarify things. I wish I could scream at the TOP of my lungs...

4CHAN IS AN IMAGE BOARD. WITH LIMITED RULES. NOT AN ORGANIZATION.

On 4chan you can find posts and pictures about COMICS, PORN, GAMES, TABLE TOP GAMES, MORE PORN, PARANORMAL (A lot of ATS like topics), RANDOM IMAGES AND MEMES, ANIME, SCIENCE/MATH, EVEN MORE PORN.

4chan is JUST a meeting site for ANYONE and EVERYONE. It has been around for a long time. Moot, the creator, has even been in Time magazine. Alright? Nothing suspicious about 4chan. Its not a group. Its not an organization. Its a website for discussing random topics associated with the board-type. Just like ATS.

/b/ is the random board. This is where Anonymous spawned (not all of it but a lot of it.) Their activist/attacks started as internet pranks, and moved to in-person protesting of the church of scientology. Not all of Anonymous are hackers. Everyone is automatically a part of Anonymous as long as their REAL NAME is not revealed. So you will see lots of masks at real protests and on videos. V for Vendetta was a huge inspiration on their "theme" - the hackers associated with Anonymous took it to the level of responding digitally. At first with DDosing then more elaborate hacks as necessary.

They usually pick up a cause that the group as a whole likes. Imagine a sports stadium. One person begins shouting BLUE! The guy next to him begins shouting BLUE! - Eventually the entire stadium shouts BLUE! as they all point to the sky. Thats about how Anonymous works. Until someone shouts, pointing at GREEN! and everyone else does to. There are individuals who act alone in the name of Anonymous and the organization as a whole is not "unified."

LULZSEC takes it back to the roots. Origionally Anonymous did stuff for laughs...then got more serious. LULZ seems to be more interested in doing things just to do them and see how much they can get away with.

All in all - 90% of both groups are bored people who want to be entertained.

Eitherway, even if both are SOMEHOW secretly operated by _insert organization or individual_ - 4chan is not. 4chan is neutral meeting grounds for the most part - unless it involves illegal activities (See: Illegal porn types or drug sales etc.)

4chan DOES become a faction when it is attacked - as ANY group spawned from 4chan and still pro-4chan will defend it. LULZSEC to fa/tg/uys.

I'm a fa/tg/uy. I go to the /tg/ board - Traditional Games. We talk about Dungeons and Dragons to Warhammer 40k - share stories of experiences, ideas for new things, and generally laid back chatting. /sci/ is a lot like ATS' Space Exploration and Fragile Earth boards. Talking about all sorts of brainiac stuff.

99% of 4chan can not hack in the slightest. A very select few can do any sort of damage. The rest are bored employees at dull jobs killing time on boards relative to their interest. Nothing more, nothing less.

Wow....
deja vu big time

I totally agree - 4chan is like one of the moms and "forming groups" are its children
just like the warez wars, omg don't confuse the IRC groups with the AOL groups
there'd be hell to pay - deltrees and trojans on the way!!!!
Best not to venture out of Town Square.

maybe a little different point of view will help;

www.abovetopsecret.com...

those sites are all government and NGO funded !

read the other thread and links very carefully.....

the "fighting" is all staged for data mining purposes.

a "lazy" appearing site is great for data collection......

remember:

"at creditreport dot com you're not just a number, you're Y-O-U...." literally !

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The amazing thing is that the majority of "news" consumers believe whatever the talking heads tell them. And the talking heads are now fabricating a meme regarding internet communities. That meme smacks of anarchistic recklessness. Thanks for making it clearer.

I dont get what the big revelation is , i though everyone knew they were born out of 4Chan.

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Very Deja Vu indeed... people just do not make much of a distinction. IE: All hackers are bad. A good example.

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Thanks for the thanks. 4chan -is- dangerous though. *edit* In a way that they occasionally can get things done. Not that they are bad guys. */edit* People used to put child porn up - the other members (early Anonymous movements?) reported them to the FBI and other services via intensive internet searching. Animal abused like puppy torturers showing up on You Tube? 4channers have dug up their info and reported them.

Before that becomes "proof" that they are "Government Agents" - lemme say this. I can see your youtube post. Dig your video up with Google to see who all links it. Thanks to face book and myspace...I know your name and location. Then I use free services to find address, phone #. Suddenly your not so hidden. You abused animals and laughed. I now report you for your crime. That is not being a government agent. That is being a good citizen.

Of course 4channer groups tend to take it to far - as there's no direction or control...no way to prevent malacious justice...said info then becomes subject to prank calls, visits, letters, fake porn accounts. Ruin the life of the person who committed the crime. Just in case the cops don't care...

You get the idea. No one on 4chan sees eye to eye, but occasionally an action 'clicks' with enough people to cause a movement. Then others jump onto the movement for the sake of doing something/being part of it. Some movements never stop - and then you get groups like Anonymous.

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So did I. Until I started seeing otherwise...

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Thanks Foxe.

I think many of the people here who are quick to shout OMG it's the CIA - need to understand that the internet wasn't invented yesterday, and that many of the chan occupants come from a hundred thousand different backgrounds and have bounced from forum to forum, board to board under various guises, collectives, groups and activities. Some people have no idea what 4-chan actually is.

Blaming 4-chan for anything is like blaming the city council for allowing people with varying opinions to live in their city. Some people are so out of touch with it, it's infuriating.

And for those who are saying there's only two groups of hackers involved with 4-chan or indeed /b/ are also misguided. First of all the term hacker is confusing. As hacking can vary from cracking a games-console to working together in an automated hive, or indeed lone-wolf style snooping, data theft, security manipulation or any variation of the above.

There are famous hackers, not-so famous hackers, affiliated online activists, opposing online activists, hackers with bored intent, hackers with political intent, script kiddies, wannabe's, amateurs, pro's and a huge range of colourful characters.

As mentioned earlier, hacking has occured for many, many years and it doesn't need a shadowy government to hold its hand.

Originally posted by Maxmars
And now we have the insertion of a third "collective" (interesting choice of words) to add to the hackitivity we have been seeing... 4Chan

Oh I don't think that's right. I'd say 4 chan is just a mirror, really. Or camera phone. Well, a camera phone aimed at yourself is a mirror, is it not? Haha, I know you feel me here, I mean, is a mirror still just a mirror when you have a camera phone also staring into that mirror? Oh this modern age of Weiners and families that are uncomfortable discussing them. Oh, isn't there some lady politician running named Mary Gash? I heard she texted photos of herself in boxer shorts. Haha.

In a way, this whole IP event building now, feels like when firefighters, sit around craving fire? You know you got the milspec guys thinking they want a piece, and the hat-hackers who get their paychecks and think they're all cool, and then there's the Anons and lulz crews that are in it to proof their skillz. Hehe, it's like, what is stuxnet wrecks Seimens as a brand?? "It won't matter," they'll answer, "because all brands are disposable. Seimens stock can go up or down based on stuxnet truths, we will profit in either direction." And you know what? They're right.

Oh and hey, where's the bitcoins version of the NYSE? When will there be IPOs on the bitcoins NYSE or not New York, I guess they'd call it the BCSE?? And also, what kinds of companies can one fund with bitcoins, that one cannot fund with say, dollars? Ah, the ghost of Orlin Grabbe floats closely to this paragraph, golden apple clutched firmly in his hand. Ah yes because if you look closely you'll see that the bitcoins dude who had his 500k secret key stolen, was planning to open a bitcoins-ebay clone. Think deeply on this event and cleave to the King of Iron when he shows up. Haha.

Anyway, as for hackin and crackin and counterattackin: Like you know, you really can't say, as a firefighter, "Dang, I can't wait for a giant blaze into which I can jump" and yet, you must forgive these ones, when they think that way, for when there is a blaze, which needs people to jump into and fight that blaze, you'll be glad you have people who sit around thinking about how they will react. And that anticipation with expectation of success/glory, is going to cause that person, to crave that event, to test their skillz, if you will. Myself, I stay out of it all, and am just some wit on the sidelines.

And yes like I said, firefighters do not sit around dreaming of fires, because I assume it is taboo to crave buildings or forests on fire. Haha, you know what I mean? Myself I am concerned about the grannies and the old people and infants cause when the building goes up, they're the ones who have a real challenge in getting away from the fire and to safety. Nobody likes arsonists, they beat the crap out of them, and I think that's a reasonable reaction to such behavior. and yet the arsonist probably has a self-image as some kind of cool radical? Nah, burning down buildings for the sake of it, is just plain wrong.

"No Donny, these men are nihlists, they're cowards." -- Walter Sobchak

Originally posted by Foxe
99% of 4chan can not hack in the slightest. A very select few can do any sort of damage. The rest are bored employees at dull jobs killing time on boards relative to their interest. Nothing more, nothing less.

i know this site does not allow it so i can't even hint to what i would like to reply, but yes " a select few ", well a select few could be 1 or it could be 100 or even 1000 its all a matter of perception. But Foxe, your right about it being a playing ground for fun.

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the problem is that apparently when they broke away from 4n0n someone decided to give them out to an AP reporter that was supposed to pay for the so called leaked photo of one of the lulz guys, but that all backfired since payment was made but instead of it going to one person it ended up in the bank account of a lulz guy. So now you see how it all got really crazy really fast. But a leaked photo suggesting the guy is from s.c. is has not been confirmed, but its interesting to see how its imploding on both ends.