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'Gunwalker' subpoena dispute escalates

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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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'Gunwalker' subpoena dispute escalates


www.cbsnews.com

WASHINGTON - Today, the House Oversight Committee held a hearing to explore whether Congress has the right to hold the Justice Department in contempt in the so-called ATF "gunwalker" investigation.
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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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another intriguing quote from the story reads

Morton Rosenberg, a specialist in American public law, formerly with the Congressional Research Service, told Congress, "the Department of Justice has the power to string out your investigation, refuse to obey it, and then when it's time for contempt...say all you can do is bring a civil action which will extend and delay your constitutional ability to enforce your" legislative powers.


meanwhile the Dem's are circling the wagons while throwing in a few more jabs at anti gun legislation

“I accuse the U.S. weapons industry of (responsibility for) the deaths of thousands of people that are occurring in Mexico. It is for profit, for the profits that it makes for the weapons industry.”—President Filipe Calderon, Mexico


A Mexican newspaper recently reported once again 70% of all weapons taken from cartel members came from the states... we all know now that number is more like 17%

The Feinstein-Schumer-Whitehouse (FSW) report offers the following remedies to Mexico’s violent drug wars:




Conclusions of the report:

It will be very difficult to successfully reduce drug-related violence in Mexico without starving the country’s drug trafficking organizations of their military-style weapons.

To do this, the United States must strengthen current firearms laws and regulations. This can be done through a number of key actions by the Obama Administration and Congress, including:

Enactment of legislation to close the gun show loophole;
Better enforcement of the existing ban on imports of military-style weapons;
Reinstatement of the expired Assault Weapons Ban;
Reporting by Federal Firearms Licensees on all multiple firearms sales; and
Senate ratification of the Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking of Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Materials (CIFTA).




Columnist Robert Farago reacted bluntly and almost brutally to the FSW report, noting:





Is there anyone out there who doesn’t know that the Mexican-sourced ATF trace data only represents guns submitted to the ATF trace, NOT THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF SEIZED GUNS? In case you missed it, the ATF traced a large number of these guns at least twice. And the average age of the guns traced was more than ten years.—Robert Farago



tens years old...or older... obviously that would exclude any of the almost 2,000 weapons the ATF sold to known gun runners...


One of the documents that exposed the operation shows ATF officials knowingly allowed the sale of 1,318 guns to 15 suspects after they had been positively identified as gun smugglers. A majority of those guns went south of the border and only about 250 have been recovered in the U.S. by police at crime scenes.—William Lajuenesse, Fox News


And that brings us to this new Falus Flag Alert
you see at first we had the 90% of guns used in Mexico came from the states... Now they claim its 70%... so lets look at how they arrived at those figures

As we discussed in a previous analysis, the 90 percent number was derived from a June 2009 U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) report to Congress on U.S. efforts to combat arms trafficking to Mexico

According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.





This means that the 87 percent figure relates to the number of weapons submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF that could be successfully traced and not from the total number of weapons seized by Mexican authorities or even from the total number of weapons submitted to the ATF for tracing. In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing. This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States.

well folks this is going to be a very interesting hearing to watch ... I'll keep you all posted as new developments appear

www.cbsnews.com
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edit on 14-6-2011 by DaddyBare because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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Ahh thanks I had not seen anything on the hearing. I love the so-called solutions, they have nothing to do with the ATF's purposeful selling to the cartels
I still would like to know at what gun show or gun store you can purchase gernades and launchers. The cartels get most of their fire-arms for the Mexican military, since that is where most members get their training. The Mexican prez needs to stay out of US politics! If he wasn't running such a farce gov't.... This I believe is the under the radar gun control Obama mentioned not so long ago!



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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If this gains traction in the MSM, and I think we all know how likely that'll be, it'll be the end of this Administration. Promoting an illegal operation, lying about it to the MSM and the American people and obstructing justice.

But once the MSM has been shown to be fools, they are like a pack of hyenas. They won’t let it go until it has been eaten and digested. We can only hope.

Doesn't this sound like what liberals were saying about the Bush Admin?

But the MSM will keep playing along to maintain the status que. And further the liberal agenda.

By the way DaddyBare, hope you're doin' better.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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I still would like to know at what gun show or gun store you can purchase gernades and launchers.


You'll find those at walmart... in the ladies underwear department... gives a whole new meaning to the word booytrapped


What I found most amusing was all these so called solutions to solving Mexico's cartel problem involved us enacting new gun laws... nothing about curbing the demand for drugs or simply closing the border...I'm not going to dwell on that... it'll only give me a headache



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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Since the 90% figure was released it became obvious to me that the Federal Government wants to use the crisis in Mexico to disarm and demonize the American gun owner, the gun store, gun manufacturers, and particular guns. Gunwalker has ALWAYS been a political operation by the BATFE to seize control of arms in this country. Backdoor gun control indeed.

We need to disband the BATFE. They've become nothing more than a political operation for the anti-gun crowd. What's a few dead border agents and other American citizens compared to getting your political agenda realized?
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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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The reason this situation is so discombobulated is because media attention is meant to serve a political purpose. However the facts are not 'politically expedient' for some, therefore intragovernmental friction ensues.

The weapons black market is not ever discussed in relation to this, only the American freedom to purchase firearms. If they broached the subject of the weapons black market they would have to admit it is the government's own behavior that 'allows' these weapons to leave the American market. But let's not scrutinize the politically powerful weapons industry and it's lobbyists.

This seems more about disarming the population than securing Mexico or our border with them.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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regarding the amount of american-made guns (surprised they're not made in Mexico, actually) reportedly confiscated down there, who's to say it's not simply Iran/Contra part deux?

CIA arrives in Mexico with arms, returns with tons of coc aine and/or pot



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by TXRabbit
regarding the amount of american-made guns (surprised they're not made in Mexico, actually) reportedly confiscated down there, who's to say it's not simply Iran/Contra part deux?

CIA arrives in Mexico with arms, returns with tons of coc aine and/or pot


Well, surprisingly we have those details.

At the end of the day the whole purpose of the chest pumping against the American gun owner has been to curtail our freedom to purchase them. This is how Statists think. They think that if they can break a few eggs here they can make an omelette, instead they created widows and orphan children pursuing an anti-gun agenda.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Come and get them

Why does the United States have to change it's gun laws to match Mexico? Why doesn't Mexico change it's gun laws to match the United States?

I for one will never be alive to see it happen. It would be, how do you say....go time?



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Naw folks this is just more gun grabber hype...
go read this older thread of mine
www.abovetopsecret.com...

in that thread I quote MEXICAN POLICE CHEIF WANTS TO ARM HIS CITIZENS!!!


You did know Mexico has some of the most restrictive gun control laws on this planet, right??? Yet those oppressive laws do nothing to prevent the over 30,000 murders to date...

in his plea to protect his people he states


"Having a weapon should be a right, because the bad guys are few and we, the good guys, are many, so we can't allow ourselves to be held hostage by the few," Almonte said.


just goes to show how bad things can get under oppressive gun control laws...

well time for me to go home...CU all in the morning... play nice


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