reply to post by Artanis667
["Would you rather I make a case for Jehovah God not using His word?"]
I'm not in a position to dictate what you make a case for and how. What I can do is to personally reject a mythological narrative as 'evidence'. It
doesn't make the bible true, because it somewhere says about itself, that it's true.
"Actually I; Bogomil, am God. Being God and saying I'm God ofcourse makes it true." It's called circle-argumentation.
Quote: ["There's fear for your punishment because whenever you have transgressed the love of another human, you have transgressed God (sinned)
Unless you do not fear punishment. If you're already perfect in love than by all means, continue to live your life as so."]
You're saying the same as in your last post. And it's still only a pile of assumptions.
Quote: ["You have heard the punishment of transgressing love is death."]
I've heard quite a lot of non-sense in my life.
Quote: ["What evidence should I bring forth outside the bible?"]
You're the one pushing the bible, not me. So that's your job. I'm in the competing crowd of the flying spaghetti monster, but we don't mission.
Quote: ["Have you known a man who has lived a life perfected in love for humanity? Lived a life of desired servatude through his working love for
Not to my knowledge. But don't let this lead you to believe, that you can push some of your fantasies at me. Have you ever met a man with a plaited
skin-colour of green and violet. No??? Well there you go...the flying spaghetti monster is proved.
You see, allegories or parables AREN'T part of rational resoning, they don't have evidence value, but only illustrate some points.
You guys haven't yet understood this and tell story after story, embellish the stories, embroider on them and actually BELIEVE you have validated
This is in various degrees called rhetoric, demagogy, oration or scholastics, and is only an extention of subjective speculations.
Quote: ["If a child were to grow up believing he could absolutely do no wrong, who taught him that?"]
Someone like Eric Cartman's mother.
Quote: ["Who didn't punish him for hating or hitting or cursing people? And if he were then to be punished, would he have any remorse? Would he feel
like what he had done was wrong?"]
I wouldn't go to the other extreme of fascistic ideology either, like the one you are suggesting.
Quote: [" I know you hate the word fear but honestly, you never did anything you knew was wrong and then feared the rightful reaction from your
parents? Or is it better to let the child do as he pleases and never know what concequences are?"]
I'm old enough to be brought up with discipline. Sometimes I passed some limits, and I could momentarily be afraid of the consequences. But 'fear',
never. My parents were not insane the way Jahveh is described in the bible.
Quote: ["In this same way the fear of God will lead a foolish man to life, without this fear he would let his desires consume him."]
Speak for yourself; we're not all that spineless, that we need a slave-system to lead our lives.
Quote: ["Do not be confused, God doesn't scare us into having faith."]
Disgareeing with your mythology, your assumptional reasoning and your seductive stories doesn't define anyone as 'confused'. And I don't give a
hoot about what alleged methods an alleged 'god' uses to force people into submission.
You have a subjective faith in a subjective mythology. Fine with me. But if you want to push it, it needs being validated in some way to those NOT
sharing your subjective values.
Quote: ["It's also not a constant, it's more like, "I won't kill this person because I KNOW God disaproves" EVEN THAT is better than having no
fear of the consequences of killing a man. It should be like "I wont even consider killing this person because I LOVE them!""]
The volentary, individual ethics in secular socities are demonstrably higher than that of theocracies.
Quote: ["Fear bring a fool to wisdom, love carries him to God."]
The non-fool loves wisdom, fear brings him to 'god'. Jeeeez, how clichée-like can you carry it?
Quote: ["What controle did God desire of Adam and Eve?"]
DO NOT do this...or else. The whole thing is about obedience.
Quote: ["I do not see any reason to assert God is some sort of out of bounds controle tyrant"]
I do. And I also see this fascistic ideology saturate a great deal on the christianities (which the majority of decent christians fortunately
Quote: ["When we are perfected in Christ we would have KNOWN the chaos and despair that was all caused by transgression of love."]
Sure, jam tomorrow. And only the elect elitists can understand what's going on. For the rest: "STEP IN LINE."
Quote: ["Could you tell me where it says for Christians to be intolerant, murderous, self-conceited and fascistic? I could tell you where it says not
to be any of those things but i'll refrain."]
Yes, mainly the first five books of OT. I took it for granted, that you also had read the bible. That the bible says differently somewhere else only
adds a dimension of self-contradiction.
And just in case you want to start cherry-picking bible-verses, if that's your preferred way of missioning. Forget it. It's a blind alley,
demonstrated by 34.000 different bible-interpretations quibbling with each other.
Quote: ["Do you love, love? Because if you do, you love God. God is love."]
Quote: ["How can you not love God?"]
For the same reasons as you don't love the flying spaghetti monster. Or Thor or Brahma.
Quote: ["I'll tell you it's our nature."]
And I tell YOU the opposite.
Quote: ["Why is it so hard to love? Why does hatred come up in our hearts? Why do we refer to love as clouds, rainbows, candy and unicorns?"]
Do you have problems about loving? I don't. So sorry, don't push your problems on me, as 'god' did on mankind.
The hate I can understand. When SS or christian soldiers burn down your home and torture you, it's easy to hate.
Quote: ["Why would we say we LOVE but then desire to destroy or shun clouds, rainbows, candy and unicorns in the same breath? It is in our awful
nature to hate love and the world will tell you this."]
If you associated with more non-theists/non-christians, you would probably see a much more attractive part of mankind than you do now. Or maybe it's
a bitterness about being a so-and-so preacher (I'm afraid you won't convert anyone with your sugarcoated demagogy) making you see mankind this way.
But what do I know about your problems? Only that they shouldn't motivate you to tell people to become like you.
Quote: ["Look at what we as people think is cool or exciting?"]
What would you expect of talking monkeys, who never had a chance to grow up, because various fascistic ideologies have tried to run their lives for
them for thousands of years. Look at yourself, promoting a religion for slaves, without the smallest amount of reason.
Quote: ["Look at what TV is full of."]
Don't have a TV.
Quote: ["Where is the love? It was shoved into the corner because true love does not cater to the self."]
Instead of preaching ABOUT it here, use your time sensibly and go out and create love. Many admirable christians do that, I respect them highly and
have on occasion helped their efforts to a great extent.
You just waste time here on your missionary obsession, ....that because you need a sky-daddy everybody must have one.
Quote: ["People say slaves, PC has ruined that word, "I don't want to be a slave to anyone but myself!""]
Speak for yourself. You can model mankind's general behaviour and motives from your own shortcomings.
Quote: [" How selfish, how self centered. Being a servant of God (Love) is to be a servant to others."]
That's why buddhism can be so attractive. It practises, what many of your ilk only preach about and then secretly do the opposite of.