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....To say nothing of value. After the Autopen was adopted by US presidents (LBJ was a big user, as was Nixon and everyone since) it found new markets among celebrities. It really is hard to sign your name for hours and hours, but maybe not so hard as disappointing one's fans. So by the late 1960s many famous people had their own Autopens churning out signatures for the people. And while Autopen signatures from presidents and business leaders had been accepted at more or less face value, they did not have to deal with the invisible hand of the collectibles market. An Autopenned document may be good enough for the Department of Defense....
Originally posted by j35us
reply to post by weedwhacker
It may be acceptable by the DOD but it should not be acceptable by the public when the document it is used on is the very laws that govern them. The entire basis is faulty, if it's not a personal signature with some kind of verification, who's to say who is actually signing these laws? The president said in a recent release that he wouldn't sign the NDAA if it was passed with amendment 50, with this recent action I don't doubt his words, the autopen will sign for him.
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
How is it controversial in the slightest? People are acting like he is the first president to use such a thing... Thomas Jefferson used one, I do believe he was the first....
Originally posted by Antiquated1
Do you honestly believe there is a law with Obama's signature on it but he does not know what is in the law? Are you suggesting they are passing laws with his autopen in secret while he is out of the country and while we are all discussing it on ATS, Obama will never know?
Can you be clear as to what the actual problem is here besides just a reason to be mad at Obama?
No, they couldn’t.
Originally posted by j35us
I'm not suggesting they are passing laws he doesn't know about, merely that they could without his direct approval.
Complete fiction, and utterly unbelievable.
Also, if a law were passed without his approval, how would he be able to dispute it? To even insinuate it would make the population lose complete faith in their leadership. It would make him look weak and out of control to other nations to go public with it. Were it to happen (as I said it's possible, not that I believe it has happened) he would be backed into a corner.
But now, apparently for the first time in United States history, a bill has been signed into law by autopen, at the direction of President Obama, who is in Europe on a weeklong trip.