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US debt clock - how much!?

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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 03:51 AM
Just seen this website advertised on Sky News :-

Wow that is a lot of debt!

PS no idea where to put this website so if it is in the wrong place please move!

posted on May, 16 2011 @ 04:06 AM
reply to post by blackcat99

Yes that's a debt clock alright but what's the point you are trying to get across

Can't just post a link and say O my look.

If you are on about reaching the debt ceiling soon don't worry it will be raised but that clock is mind boggling it's been on ATS before.


posted on May, 16 2011 @ 05:43 AM
It amazes me how the government can just snap their fingers and raise their loan. Imagine a typical citizen going to the bank regarding their 200k$ mortgage, and saying to the bank.. "ok, let's bump that to 4.5 million, done? ok great. We'll be back in a couple of years to bump that to 10 million". puhleeez. It's insanity.

posted on May, 16 2011 @ 05:59 AM
Tick Tock and the clock don't stop, I think we all know what time it is!

I feel that the USA needs a significantly larger clock, I do hope the next one has an alarm feature so as to awaken those in a position of such financial gravity are able to at least water the office plants before such impending doom. Plants have feelings too you know?

A good question regarding the accuracy of such a time keeper being which would go off first the USA debt clock or the End of the World clock?

posted on May, 16 2011 @ 06:03 AM
I think the point being made is that the US will definitively breach the debt ceiling TODAY according to this clock - and yes, that includes the "debt subject to the limit".

Default? Nah, keep it on the hush-hush, the Fed can do some accounting magic to by-pass the limit for months, buying plenty of time for the jokers in suits to hash out a deal, with just enough time left over to pat each other on the back and smoke a cigar.

Here's a list of just a few of the fancy magic tricks that are in the works to rob people blind while politicians are (purposely?) dragging their feet. Sorry for the econo-mese, it's dense but now's a good time to do some research about the economy so you'll understand what the hubbub is about later.

The U.S. Treasury is expected to start dipping into federal pension funds on May 16 to give Congress more time to raise the $14.3 trillion debt limit, which caps the amount the country is legally allowed to borrow.

On Friday, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was forced to start employing the first of the department's special accounting measures to give the government room to borrow funds to meet its obligations.

As of May 11, the total U.S. public debt was just $14 billion below the ceiling.

The United States has until Aug. 2 before it will start defaulting on its obligations, such as interest payments.

Following is a rundown of some of the measures the Treasury has employed and plans to use in May as well as other steps it could take to stave off the day the current debt limit becomes binding.

The Treasury has already drawn down a $200 billion Federal Reserve emergency lending account to $5 billion to free up borrowing capacity.


The Treasury on May 6 suspended sales of State and Local Government Series securities -- known as "slugs" -- which are special low-interest Treasury securities offered to state and local governments to temporarily invest proceeds from municipal bond sales. Slugs, which count against the debt limit, have been suspended six times in the past 20 years to avoid hitting the debt ceiling. The last time they were halted was in September 2007. So far in fiscal 2011, which began on Oct. 1, the Treasury has sold $47.4 billion in slugs to muni bond issuers.


The Treasury on May 16 will suspend investments in the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund, a government employee pension fund, and redeem certain investments.

Initially the Treasury can claw back $12 billion in borrowing headroom by declaring a two-month "debt issuance
suspension period," a legal determination specific to this fund. Geithner could also declare a one-year suspension that would free up $72 billion in borrowing ability -- an amount equal to about one year's worth of benefit payments.

On June 30, the Treasury has another option to halt reinvestment of $67 billion of the fund's securities that
mature on that date. However, the Treasury points out that it also has a bond interest payment of $12 billion due on June 30, diminishing the effect of that maneuver. It also must replace any missed contributions and lost earnings to the fund once the borrowing limit is raised.


On May 16 the Treasury will suspend the reinvestments in another federal employee pension fund known as the G-Fund, which has a balance of about $130 billion. Normally the money market-like fund reinvests its entire balance daily into special-issue Treasury securities that count against the debt limit. Halting reinvestments would instantly claw back $130 billion in borrowing capacity, but the Treasury must make the fund whole any lost earnings once the debt limit impasse ends.


The Treasury could dip into this seldom-used $50 billion fund earmarked to stabilize currency rates and access the dollar balance -- currently about $23 billion -- to avoid debt issuance. Created during the Great Depression of the 1930s, the fund was last used as a backstop to guarantee money market mutual funds during the financial crisis from September 2008 to September 2009. The Treasury would not have to restore lost interest earnings to the fund.


The Treasury could cut issuance of longer-term government debt and rely more heavily on short-term cash management bills to gain more day-to-day control over debt outstanding. Cash management bills are typically issued for days instead of normal Treasury bill maturities of four weeks to one year. However, this is unlikely to buy much time and officials are wary of making any major shifts in the Treasury's debt issuance calendar, which could upset markets.


Treasury secretaries in the past have halted sales of U.S. savings bonds to the public during debt limit impasses, but Geithner argues that this would be of little or no use. It would not free up borrowing authority and it would only prevent small amounts of new debt from being issued. Savings bond sales increase the debt by less than $220 million per month on average, giving this measure little potency during a time of trillion-dollar deficits.


The Federal Financing Bank can issue up to $15 billion in debt on behalf of other government agencies that is not subject to the debt limit. So the Treasury could exchange FFB debt for other debt to reduce the total amount subject to the limit. However, the Treasury says this measure is also of little use because of the very small amounts of obligations available for exchange. The Government Accountability Office has estimated
that based on data from last Aug. 31, this measure offered just $4.8 billion in borrowing headroom at that time.

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