US and Mexico about to escalate the stupid drug war

It seems 30 000 dead in 4 years wasn't enough...

This will only cost more money, kill more innocent people, kill more cops and likely results in less rights for the average Mexican guy.

Yes cartels are very bad and should be wiped out.

But doing the same thing they've been doing for the last 30+ years in MULTIPLES COUNTRIES... is not the solution.

LEGALIZE IT ALL and give it 5 years to see what happens... then if that doesn't work (it will) then at least you will have tried.

U.S., Mexican officials to discuss drug war escalation

Senior US and Mexican officials will meet on Friday to discuss joint efforts to halt the increasingly brutal cross-border drug trade, according to Mexico's foreign ministry.

The Mexican delegation will be lead by Foreign Minister Patricia Espinosa, an official told AFP late Monday.

Couldn't agree more. Making it illegal has obviously not worked.

the simplest way to end this conflict is legalize the drugs take the money out of the drug cartels hands and tax the sh.... out of it pay off the ridiculous debt they owe or america could just invade and annex mexico make it another state. make cancun safe to go again

reply to post by Vitchilo


I had the same theory a while back. You just regulate it and tax it, with rules applied of course.
You show up to work high, you're fired. You're caught driving high, you loose your license (like with alcohol) and maybe some jail time. You're caught selling to minors, etc etc, but make it legal and you cut the funding to these cartels. It will also drive costs down, so even cartels able to make sells will greatly have to reduce their income.

Here's another idea. You know who a cartel leader is, you drop a bomb on his house with his extended family inside. You know where he's vacationing for that family reunion, you lock the doors on that place and set it on fire. Make living like that such a horror that no one would think about doing it. You can't just kill the leader. A new head will always rise up, and its generally his own children. The only way getting rid of these guys is you have to take their money or take their bloodlines. Threats don't scare them, and normal police can't compete with them. You have to take it to a whole new level.

I agree with you. My only concern about legalizing is that usually government screws it up. They would probably:

A) Charge such a huge price is would give rise to a secondary black market
B) Make it so difficult to get that people would find other means.
C) Produce such low quality product (apparently this has happened in Canada--legal for medical reasons--but horrible quality product) that no one would want to buy it.

However, if the could avoid the above, we could save a lot of lives and money

Why legalize it?

Why don't the pot heads, the stoners and the druggies just give it up completely?

Makes more sense to me.

reply to post by Alxandro


Better question would be why not legalize it?
I do not use, but i grew up knowing that it was the gateway thing and it was evil.
I never asked why, prolly cuz i was raised christian.
I can show proof of thousands of deaths caused by many legal things.
Show me one death due to this plant please?
It is a weed, it grows everywhere, God, Goddess, allah or whoever put it on the planet for a reason.
There is some folks that even speak of the good this plant does.
Doctors here in Kalifornia are now having to recognize it is a valid treatment.
Why not?

reply to post by Alxandro


I would agree with that, because I don't even drink (and never really understood the appeal of any of it), but the sad fact remains; people do use, most by choice, some are forced, and people will always use. Narcotics have been used for thousands of years, and it isn't likely to change. All you can do is remove the weapon from those wishing to exploit the people who are slaves to these substances.

2 things will happen if you legalize drugs

1. medicare and medicaid will end up covering them

2. the cost of healthcare will skyrocket.


those two already cover medical mj and viagra just wait.

reply to post by Alxandro


because they shouldnt have to. people SHOULD have a right to consume whatever they want as long as it dosent hurt anyone other then themselves the only reason its a bad thing is the cartels are VERY violent

reply to post by Alxandro


Because they are winning?

How about this: In the history of the world, no prohibition has ever "worked."

Even the Jewish god couldn't make it happen, in his own garden. That ought to tell you something about the human desire to tell authoritarian busy-bodies where to stick it, eh?

reply to post by g146541


Trust me, I know where you're coming from but the problem is not with the God given plant, it's with abuse!
Do people die as a result of taking these drugs? ..maybe not directly, but indirectly, it obvious by now that many do die.

Taking it for medicinal purposes is fine but the problem is the stoners, the potheads and druggies take this stuff just for the hell of it.
They take because they just want to get high,
..then what?
Nothing is gained and lives and careers are wasted as a result.
In the process they just keep making the cartels richer and richer and the people that pay the price of death are the innocent folks that get caught in the crossfire as the cartels battle it out, in order to keep supplying the stoners, potheads and druggies.

The cycle needs to stop, somewhere.

Think about it.

Originally posted by nikkibee
reply to post by Alxandro

 

because they shouldnt have to. people SHOULD have a right to consume whatever they want as long as it dosent hurt anyone other then themselves the only reason its a bad thing is the cartels are VERY violent

That's just it, others are getting killed as a result a result of abuse.
Moderation is the key. Consume if you want but don't abuse.

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


You sir, ROCK!!
The jewish god couldn't keep this plant out of his garden.
I will use this on many religious types and thank you.

Originally posted by gaurdian2012
the simplest way to end this conflict is legalize the drugs take the money out of the drug cartels hands and tax the sh.... out of it pay off the ridiculous debt they owe or america could just invade and annex mexico make it another state. make cancun safe to go again

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Very good synopsis, but you forgot if this where to happen it would wipe out the CIA's budget, and we cannot have that can we

reply to post by Alxandro


There are very many "potheads" and "stoners" who use on a daily basis and lead very productive, responsible lives. In fact, you would probably be absolutely shocked to learn which people around you (even aquaintences) most likely use marijuana or at least have in the past and have no problems with others doing it. Also, not all marijuana comes from drug cartels.

You may disagree with people using marijuana "just for the hell of it" but that is hardly a reason to make it illegal to use and put people in jail for long periods of time for doing something that hurt absolutely no one.

So what if someone wants to get high? Is that such a bad thing? What matters is that they don't let it take over their lives and start hurting the ones they love. In the vast majority of cases, you will not find a pothead that is an abuser of marijuana to the point their life has become a steaming pile.

Heroin, meth, opium and weed were all legal in the US back in the 19th century.

But then the crazy christians had their way... the ``progressive`` movement made it all illegal. That's also them who made alcohol illegal.

Humans will be humans. They will always drink beer, take drugs. Making those things illegal is just retarded and something a totalitarian government does.

reply to post by Alxandro


Give me an example of "careers that are being wasted." With few notable exceptions, most careers are themselves a mechanism by which the ruling busy-bodies control everyone else. Moving pieces of paper around at corporate headquarters isn't exactly the work of angels.

I'll tell you what: Show me a society that offers a reasonable set of goals for human beings to strive for, beyond the idiotic pursuit of "mo money" and "mo things," and I'll cede your point.

Until then I will point out that the human species has been seeking "west" (figuratively speaking, of course) since we lost our fur and marched northward out of Africa 180,000 years ago (give or take). Modern society has destroyed the notion that there are any frontiers worth exploring, beyond the financial ones. Small wonder your kids are on drugs, eh?

Depite bringing down Pablo Escobar and the Medellin Cartel in Columbia, Columbia is still a major player in the market.

Colombia remains the world’s largest producer and exporter of coc aine, as well as a source country for heroin and marijuana. According to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, 90 percent of the coc aine seized in the United States originates in Colombia. Colombia’s marijuana is typically not sent to the United States, but rather feeds internal and Latin American consumption

www.state.gov...

Mexico will be a player as well, with or without cartels.

The war is a failure and a new solution is needed.

Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by g146541

 

maybe not directly, but indirectly, it obvious by now that many do die.

Please give 1 example? just 1.
Not the guy who got high on top of a roof and fell off the edge, sober people can fall too.
So please just 1 case say.....overdose or something?

Taking it for medicinal purposes is fine but the problem is the stoners, the potheads and druggies take this stuff just for the hell of it.
They take because they just want to get high,

This is correct, the same can be said for other "legal" things too caffeine, nicotene, alcohol, Etc.

..then what?
Nothing is gained and lives and careers are wasted as a result.
In the process they just keep making the cartels richer and richer and the people that pay the price of death are the innocent folks that get caught in the crossfire as the cartels battle it out, in order to keep supplying the stoners, potheads and druggies.

The cycle needs to stop, somewhere.

Yep if you could buy a pack at every corner store for 5 bucks or less, the cartels would run out of money to buy ammo.
I think that is where it would stop.

Think about it.

Think bout that.