Orgasms Without Love Are feeding Evil!

As a preamble (see also higns07's post) to this post, we'll quote the Dalai Lama on Kalachakra Tantra (this is applied to Right Sexual Conduct in Buddhism and White Tantra in general as well):



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What About Celibacy or Continence?

"In Tibetan Buddhism, especially if you look at the iconography of the deities with their consorts, you can see a lot of very explicit sexual symbolism which often gives the wrong impression.

"Actually, in this case the sexual organ is utilized, but the energy movement which is taking place is, in the end, fully controlled. The energy should never be let out.

"This energy must be controlled and eventually returned to other parts of the body. What is required for a Tantric practitioner is to develop the capacity to utilize one's faculties of bliss and the blissful experiences which are specifically generated due to the flow of regenerative fluids within one's own energy channels.

"It is crucial to have the ability to protect oneself from the fault of emission. It is not just a purely ordinary sexual act. And here we can see there is a kind of special connection with celibacy. Especially in the practice of the Kalachakra Tantra, this precept of protecting oneself from the emission of energy is considered to be very important.

"The Kalachakra literature mentions three types of blissful experience: one is the blissful experience induced by the flow of energy; one is the immutable blissful experience; and one is the mutable blissful experience. To me, when Buddha took the celibacy vow, at that level he did not explain all the reasons behind that rule or that discipline. The complete explanation comes when we know the Tantrayana system."

– The 14th Dalai Lama

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The Fire of Kundalini

"When Adam and Eve were in Eden before eating of the fruit, Adam and Eve could perceive God directly and spoke with God which is in the story. God asks a question and Adam and Eve can answer. This represents humanity. Also it represents us. Once, we could see God and talk to God. But then we abused the fruit, so God says to the serpent: I curse you more than the cattle and the beasts. Why? Because the cattle, the beasts of the field, the animals, fornicate. Yet they fornicate only by instinct, by following the laws of nature according to their own level of development. But we fornicate because of desire, and thus God says: "You are worse than animals." We are worse, which is true.

"Look at humanity. We are worse than animals. We are enslaved by desire. Enslaved, powerless, because of desire. We destroy not only each other, but the planet. No animal does that. Animals respect the law, yet we do not. We do not even respect ourselves. We destroy ourselves because of desire. Every pain, every suffering, every problem that you have in your life is because of your own desires.

"So the serpent fell. Where we once had that energy active in us, that serpent fell, gradually, over time. This was not an overnight event, this occurred over generations, long ago. The result was that energy fell and became inactive in terms of the positive upright force. Instead that energy inverted itself. The opposite polarity emerged. This is represented in other stories of Cain and Abel and all the problems that came after that.

"This is why God says: "You shall walk on your belly." That is how we conduct ourselves, how we move through life, how we go from one thing to the next. The serpent depends on the belly, gluttony, desire, consumption. The serpent is cursed as a beast with animal desire, who depends upon his desire and subsists upon desire. That is why we have so many desires. That is why we always want to feed our desires. It is that energy that wants to be fed, that serpent in us. This is why we are so addicted to the orgasm.

"You see, what is interesting here is, as I mentioned, this energy is a polarity, it is a great cosmic force. Originally, when mankind made this mistake, this was the first time that the orgasm was discovered. Previous to this, the orgasm did not exist amongst humankind. It was forbidden. That is the meaning of not eating of the tree of knowledge. In the animal kingdom, when the souls or the consciousness was evolving up from the lower kingdoms, it reached the animal kingdom, the orgasm is part of the development of that level of nature, but upon entering the humanoid kingdom, the orgasm must be abandoned, in order to ascend to a new level. So that early humanoids did not commit that mistake. That is why they gave that commandment, “thou shalt not fornicate.” Thou shalt not eat of that fruit. Unfortunately, due to this temptation, which is, in details, a very long story, humanity discovered this energy, the orgasm.

"When we enter the sexual act, we connect two very complex organisms. We connect them where the most powerful energies are in the body, the sexual organs. In those organs are the root forces of creation, the powers of God. Normally, when we are not in the sexual act, all the powers that come into us, the power to be alive descends through these three nervous systems, the three forces--Father, Son, Holy Spirit; Brahma, Vishnu, Siva. Those forces come through our three nervous systems, but the ultimate expression of that energy is sexual. The ultimate expression of the creativity of God in us comes through sex on mechanical level. The ultimate level is spiritual, obviously. Merely physically, the highest degree is sexual creation. So when we unite two physical bodies sexually, man and woman, that fire is lit. This is when the causes are there for the fire to emerge. That fire is sex. That is the creative power of God. That power is sex. This is why we see Siva-Sakti, god and goddess, the Elohim, which means god and goddess. Abba and Aima, father-mother, Yab-Yum. These symbols represent the creative power of God which is reflected in us sexually."

It's all about focus.

You can probably much better focus and feel if there is someone to send the energy too rather than having it dissipate no way in particular for anyone or sub-consciously to something 'evil' if it may be like porn or something similar taken up as example in OP.
It's neutral energy of high potency. Who ever so wishes could partake in it. But with intent and focus you direct it's direction and doesn't need to go all and everywhere. Though it's not inherently bad by having energy dissipated to your surroundings but be aware who might take up on it. There can be anything to walk by.
Energy conversion would still be better. Working with your emotions and being self reflecting and evolving you can probably turn much bad into good without the need to just beam out a laser of destruction for whoever is on it's path.

Work with your heart and listen to it's feelings. Your heart is the strongest "antenna" of your physical body. Do listen to it often! Rethink or refocus and analyze what might do such as make your heart feel heavy or pained. Try to find such that makes it feel comfortable and happy.
A self discussion in your mind to analyze possibilities and asking questions might be a way to try and find your path onward until you feel the direction is right.

In a spiritual sense there is always someone who wants a little attention and fun try to find such and feel their intentions and see if you want to work things out together. Sparks of love can be found about anywhere.
One night stands etc aren't evil. They are completely what you make them to be.

It's easy to love.

This is actually not completely true. Now, there are things people should know spiritually. That actions and that can be affected by dark thoughts as well, but actions speak the loudest, we all have to grapple with, and deal with our mind programs, we have a lot of negative programs and input in them and some people get chemical imbalances, this School is not set up one way, then the Higher Ups walk away and aren't sensitive to the actual people, its very sensitive to the actual people and there are many circumstances that mitigate the true responsibility and intentions). Striving to live in our heart, daily helps sidestep the programs in our minds.

There is the word, Intentions. Intentional harm to others. This puts negative vibrations/frequencies down the earth core, the earth chakra grid system. They put their temples and conduct their occult sacrifices, and even BP oil, and wars, earthquakes, all have Grid Channeling.

Our apathy when we are aware and able to do something is more important for negative frequency than if we are struggling along and overwhelmed by our lives, and can't pay attention.

It really has to do with Intent of Heart and Awareness.

Being negative, harming others, (starvation, homelessness is HARM, not caring for equality, is HARM, WARS HARM, murder, rape, torture, abuse, torturing animals instead of more humane methods of procuring foods, cruelty, arguments, HARM, diseases that have been given to humanity via food and nutrient manipulation and Nuclear/toxins/poisons HARM). Rape, and abuse harms.

So anything done Lovingly and with Peace, and as a gift to another. So intimacy that is serving others, being a gift to the one you feel love for, is a positive even spiritual experience and raises frequency.

But even just not HARMING someone, is still progressing past the levels of some of the tests. Even some neutrals are in far better positions than ones doing harm.

But the reminder in this thread to Stay in Your Heart, be Gifts To Others, Live With Love and Be Responsible. Live With Integrity.

This is good, but its not true to say, that someone who is not harming another, and has no intention of harm, (ie two consenting adults ) are increasing negativity. Because its harm to others that does.

reply to post by coder22


But wait....if you love yourself, you should be okay. The thread title is: Orgasms Without Love....

So in turn, if you love yourself figuratively then it should be okay to ummm "love yourself" literally...right

ETA: OP despite my humorous post, very riveting read,well done S&F!

reply to post by Mactire


i'll go...

I believe that your topic is a bit narrow - Any action present with Love will be more healing to our dimension than one without.

But I personally think that all actions which disrespect self or others is damaging.

Besides, sex is an area in "modern" culture that contains tremendous cultural biases and beliefs centered in our "separateness."

I am looking forward to the day when our treatment of each other through wars, violence, and greed raises the same level of concern as who is having sex with who and under what circumstances.

Just my thoughts.

Originally posted by Mactire
The same can be said of:

Food without Hungar
Possession without Necessity
Hate without Reason

...and all the way down the list of sins. The Yin Yang you use as your avatar is a perfect illustration of this. Everything is both good and evil. There are few better illustrations for this than the one found in the film 'The Book Of Eli'. Even the Bible, in the wrong hands can used as a weapon against humanity. God is as much the Devil as he is Divine. We humans and everything we do in this world are the same way. We were made in his image after all.

edit on 23-4-2011 by Mactire because: (no reason given)

God is all good, all loving all righteous, there is no evil in God.

Originally posted by UberL33t
reply to post by coder22

 

But wait....if you love yourself, you should be okay. The thread title is: Orgasms Without Love....

So in turn, if you love yourself figuratively then it should be okay to ummm "love yourself" literally...right

ETA: OP despite my humorous post, very riveting read,well done S&F!

"Don't knock masterbation, it's sex with somebody I love."
~ Woody Allen

acccidental double post.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Im not 100% sure what your OP says is true, but Ive been exploring the subject. I think its worth researching and looking into. Related thread: The conspiracy against sexual energy.

I need to say that I have been really looking into this as well for quite some time now and I have come to a solid conclusion: Much more study is needed on the subject. I will report back if I ever find anything solidly determinitive though.

I was with you until you lumped masturbation in together with cheating and one night stands. I masturbate to homemade videos me and my girlfriend of 9 months made, just for that purpose, because we don`t get to be alone as often as we would like. Only once every week or two... So I masturbate while thinking about her and loving her and missing her. There IS love involved. I don`t mean to sound rude, but could it be that you, like some, cannot enjoy masturbation, possibly due to some kind of shame you feel due to your upbringing? And so naturally you assumed it to be a loveless and evil act? Just a thought. With the right partner you could get over this. Sounds like from your post you may have had some controlling boyfriends who might have added to this misconception that you don`t deserve to feel pleasure unless it is given to you by the proper authority. I could be wrong, but, I`m not. Just kidding, we can always be wrong...

In my experience "love" is as destructive as it can be positive.

Love can equal an obsession, when the brain floods with dopamine and people are smitten.
I've been really annoyed and irritated with some "love sick" people in my life.
There are 3main irritations:

- The first problem is unrequited love: I had an older person who was "in love" and obsessed with somebody much younger.
I would get phone-calls at all hours asking me to do love spells for them, and what the object of affection likes, or analyzing all the nuances of their speech and actions. Meanwhile I could see the younger person just was not interested, and it basically ended our friendship when I finally broke and told the older guy he was deluded, and he was in real danger of getting his ass kicked by the object of his affection.

- The second "love pain" for all is the "illicit love", or adultery.
Words cannot begin to describe my irritation with a married friend, who would brag in innuendos about her conquest, but everyone must keep it a secret to save her marriage.
Usually this love is requited, but threatens to cause untold social havoc.
A one-night stand causes less evil than this!

- The break up lovers
Enough said - pain in the ass for everyone.
The orgasms no longer work for one party and its time to move on.
But no, all must hear endlessly hear about the "ex".
Evil indeed.
Can even lead to stalking.

I saw on a program "Taboo" that dopamine can make people fall in love with objects, and a growing number of men are fully in love with latex dolls. I'd say that's a good idea.

For me porn is great.
As a gay man I do fitness exercises to porn, and it keeps me in shape.
Since I've had the web the shape of other men had me get off my butt and start excercising at home to great effect.
I've lost my beer-gut several months ago, and feel less depressed after a work-out to porn.
And yes, I'm in love every time, and it never gets "harder", and I'm not a spring-chicken.

Love can be good, and often doesn't even require an orgasm.
Friends and comrades can "love" each other non-sexually.
An orgasm is part of our animalistic evolution.
"Love" is false attachment to a non-permanent physical object.
Love through orgasm is fleeting and false-attachment.
I got HIV when I thought I was in love - in fact, in SA marriage is the major life-style factor predisposing women to HIV-infection.
The false social wisdom dictates that "lovers" don't need condoms, and asking for one is not trusting your partner, or questioning his "love".
Evil concept, evil stuff.
Get the porn!

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BTW

Masterbation To Reduce Your Chances Of Prostate Cancer
news.bbc.co.uk...

Would any "god" make masterbation a sin and the same time reduce your chances of cancer if you do it... dat fun

reply to post by Scorpitarius


You lost me as soon as you implied that if people disagree with you hypothesis they are somehow not honest with themselves or ignorant.

No room for people to simply disagree...

As energy being, releases of positive energy in ANY circumstance can hardly be called evil.

If you want to talk about the energy that is feeding evil, lets talk about war, and poverty, and hate. These are the things ACTUALLY feeding evil. Releases of positive energy such as an orgasm are not.

As others have already said, shouldn't you love yourself? And therefore, masturbation would be just fine?

Good and evil is all about perspective. Islam is a perfect example of this. So many westerners think it's evil for various reason, whether it be the extremist groups or how they treat women or however many other possible reasons. To them, though, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way they live.

Honestly, I can't think of anything evil about relaxing with yourself.

Love spelled backwards is "evol"....now pronounce it out loud....just a weird observation thats all

...wow...

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live is evil
earth is heart,
love is evolve

While I agree with a large sum of this post, I must disagree that masturbation is negative. There's plenty of porn out there that's horrible for you, but there's also plenty that isn't negative.

Humans are genetically designed to replicate, and when that cannot be done, a sexual tension is created, which can be eased/released through masturbation, and as one poster before me stated, that's a release of the negative tension.

Do I think wacking off or flicking the bean 90 times a day is great for you? Nope, in fact it could be a symptom of severe perversion. But - for one to release their sexual tension is complete innocent in my book, as we are genetically designed to replicate.

reply to post by Tamahu


I would have to agree with the OP but I am sorry. I don't agree with your post. I think if your having sex with the one you love your emissions as they call it replenish rapidly and clean out the system. I for one love it when she has explosive emissions all over me.