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What About Celibacy or Continence?
"In Tibetan Buddhism, especially if you look at the iconography of the deities with their consorts, you can see a lot of very explicit sexual symbolism which often gives the wrong impression.
"Actually, in this case the sexual organ is utilized, but the energy movement which is taking place is, in the end, fully controlled. The energy should never be let out.
"This energy must be controlled and eventually returned to other parts of the body. What is required for a Tantric practitioner is to develop the capacity to utilize one's faculties of bliss and the blissful experiences which are specifically generated due to the flow of regenerative fluids within one's own energy channels.
"It is crucial to have the ability to protect oneself from the fault of emission. It is not just a purely ordinary sexual act. And here we can see there is a kind of special connection with celibacy. Especially in the practice of the Kalachakra Tantra, this precept of protecting oneself from the emission of energy is considered to be very important.
"The Kalachakra literature mentions three types of blissful experience: one is the blissful experience induced by the flow of energy; one is the immutable blissful experience; and one is the mutable blissful experience. To me, when Buddha took the celibacy vow, at that level he did not explain all the reasons behind that rule or that discipline. The complete explanation comes when we know the Tantrayana system."
– The 14th Dalai Lama
The Fire of Kundalini
"When Adam and Eve were in Eden before eating of the fruit, Adam and Eve could perceive God directly and spoke with God which is in the story. God asks a question and Adam and Eve can answer. This represents humanity. Also it represents us. Once, we could see God and talk to God. But then we abused the fruit, so God says to the serpent: I curse you more than the cattle and the beasts. Why? Because the cattle, the beasts of the field, the animals, fornicate. Yet they fornicate only by instinct, by following the laws of nature according to their own level of development. But we fornicate because of desire, and thus God says: "You are worse than animals." We are worse, which is true.
"Look at humanity. We are worse than animals. We are enslaved by desire. Enslaved, powerless, because of desire. We destroy not only each other, but the planet. No animal does that. Animals respect the law, yet we do not. We do not even respect ourselves. We destroy ourselves because of desire. Every pain, every suffering, every problem that you have in your life is because of your own desires.
"So the serpent fell. Where we once had that energy active in us, that serpent fell, gradually, over time. This was not an overnight event, this occurred over generations, long ago. The result was that energy fell and became inactive in terms of the positive upright force. Instead that energy inverted itself. The opposite polarity emerged. This is represented in other stories of Cain and Abel and all the problems that came after that.
"This is why God says: "You shall walk on your belly." That is how we conduct ourselves, how we move through life, how we go from one thing to the next. The serpent depends on the belly, gluttony, desire, consumption. The serpent is cursed as a beast with animal desire, who depends upon his desire and subsists upon desire. That is why we have so many desires. That is why we always want to feed our desires. It is that energy that wants to be fed, that serpent in us. This is why we are so addicted to the orgasm.
"You see, what is interesting here is, as I mentioned, this energy is a polarity, it is a great cosmic force. Originally, when mankind made this mistake, this was the first time that the orgasm was discovered. Previous to this, the orgasm did not exist amongst humankind. It was forbidden. That is the meaning of not eating of the tree of knowledge. In the animal kingdom, when the souls or the consciousness was evolving up from the lower kingdoms, it reached the animal kingdom, the orgasm is part of the development of that level of nature, but upon entering the humanoid kingdom, the orgasm must be abandoned, in order to ascend to a new level. So that early humanoids did not commit that mistake. That is why they gave that commandment, “thou shalt not fornicate.” Thou shalt not eat of that fruit. Unfortunately, due to this temptation, which is, in details, a very long story, humanity discovered this energy, the orgasm.
"When we enter the sexual act, we connect two very complex organisms. We connect them where the most powerful energies are in the body, the sexual organs. In those organs are the root forces of creation, the powers of God. Normally, when we are not in the sexual act, all the powers that come into us, the power to be alive descends through these three nervous systems, the three forces--Father, Son, Holy Spirit; Brahma, Vishnu, Siva. Those forces come through our three nervous systems, but the ultimate expression of that energy is sexual. The ultimate expression of the creativity of God in us comes through sex on mechanical level. The ultimate level is spiritual, obviously. Merely physically, the highest degree is sexual creation. So when we unite two physical bodies sexually, man and woman, that fire is lit. This is when the causes are there for the fire to emerge. That fire is sex. That is the creative power of God. That power is sex. This is why we see Siva-Sakti, god and goddess, the Elohim, which means god and goddess. Abba and Aima, father-mother, Yab-Yum. These symbols represent the creative power of God which is reflected in us sexually."
Originally posted by Mactire
The same can be said of:
Food without Hungar
Possession without Necessity
Hate without Reason
...and all the way down the list of sins. The Yin Yang you use as your avatar is a perfect illustration of this. Everything is both good and evil. There are few better illustrations for this than the one found in the film 'The Book Of Eli'. Even the Bible, in the wrong hands can used as a weapon against humanity. God is as much the Devil as he is Divine. We humans and everything we do in this world are the same way. We were made in his image after all.edit on 23-4-2011 by Mactire because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by UberL33t
reply to post by coder22
But wait....if you love yourself, you should be okay. The thread title is: Orgasms Without Love....
So in turn, if you love yourself figuratively then it should be okay to ummm "love yourself" literally...right
ETA: OP despite my humorous post, very riveting read,well done S&F!
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Im not 100% sure what your OP says is true, but Ive been exploring the subject. I think its worth researching and looking into. Related thread: The conspiracy against sexual energy.