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Apparently Vitamin D Causes Heart Attacks in Women Study Finds

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posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:05 AM
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Vitamin D causes heart attacks in women

If you ask me the attack on alternative medicines such as vitamins has begun here in canada, this is nonsense.

dont except to find there data any proof backing these new claims, its nothing more then talk from CTV News.





"This data and the previous meta-analyses suggest that calcium supplementation may increase cardiovascular events," Dr. Rick Adachi, an osteoporosis specialist at McMaster University, told CTV News. "And that while a little bit of supplementation may be OK, high doses and over-supplementation are not."






When the team did further analyses, adding data from 13 other trials involving 29,000 women in total, they also found consistent increases in the risk of heart attack and stroke associated with taking calcium supplements -- with or without vitamin D.






"What we're suggesting is that we should move away from using supplements and instead, we should be encouraging people to get their calcium from their diet," he says.


There trying to say dont take any Vitamin supplements its bad for you so instead change the diet, and be a good slave.

This other part is laughable




"We should rely on our diet to source our calcium. And for people who are at a high risk of fracture, they should be relying on medicines to decrease their fracture risk, not taking supplements," he said.



When they mention medicines they actaully mean those dangerous ones from the big pharmacy.


So it seems the first attack on vitamins has started, what do you make of these claims in the article?
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posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:11 AM
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How would big pharma benefit from people taking fewer pills, exactly?

Also, is the vitamin industry non-profit now -- did I miss something?



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:15 AM
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I take vitamin D supplements. If I drop dead from a heart attack, I'll find away to come back from the after life and let you know. If you don't get enough sunshine, especially in winter, there is no other way to get it. I'll take my chances considering all the benefits from vitamin D, Like preventing the flu. Something tells me vaccine makers are a little peeved that this has gotten out.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:18 AM
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id say bs for sure a good calcium supplement is especially essential for women due to menstruation and pregnancy.
also not surprised to see negative vitamin d spin with the new study that proves massive doses can actually cure cancers. (ps im not a doctor and just read this off the web so please dont od on the stuff or nothing k)
We just had our fourth son about two weeks ago and he is freakishly healthy (kid could move his head day one almost threw himself off me on his first day home crazy stuff for a new born and at ten days he's already moving a bit) He eats like no other kid ive seen too moms poor boobs lol
We only started taking vitamins and watching our diet after we had our first son and it makes a big difference. Sad to say that our first born may have gotten a bad start due to our ignorance. Still aside from some issues with his teeth and minor health developmental issues he is quite healthy. The other two were both exceptional baby's imo tho like i said our last ones nothing short of amazing XD



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:20 AM
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Complete and utter bull#. Vitamin D is incredible.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:26 AM
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and a couple of years down the track they'll make vitamins illegal



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:26 AM
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Most vitamins contain Magnesium Stearate.
I've heard the good and the bad about it, but IF the bad is even possibly true, I'm all set.
Liquid vitamins are best, and most nurses I know call typical pill form vitamins "bedpan bullets", which describes how little of them the weakened body absorbs.

Some of both sides of the debate...
www.drrons.com...
(excerpt - Up to 5% of the average 1000 mg capsule or tablet is magnesium stearate. That’s 50 milligrams. Suppose you take 8 capsules or tablets a day. That’s 250 a month – or 12,500 mg of this hydrogenated oil, nearly half an ounce. That works out to about 6 ounces of hydrogenated oils a year, from just 8 pills a day. )

www.wellnessresources.com...
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posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:47 AM
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Am I in a parallel universe here?
A study says "dont take pills, but get your nutrients the natural way, from eating well".... and you cry conspiracy?

I would have thought the opposite would be true, if the study had said "dont bother eating well, but get your nutrients from pills".

This place never fails to amaze me.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:48 AM
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Agent i think we saw something on ATS not long ago about some USA authority with a plan to screw the vitamin pooch here, too. Their claim was vitamins, supplements & OTC drugs were being sold without proving out their benefits claims.

I don't mind truth in labeling. I hope this is not a Uncle Sam / Big Pharma slap-down that will cripple legitimate vitamins & supplement packagers, distributors and retailers.

I don't know how laws are today, but some 30 years ago when I was in the industry it was painfully easy for anyone to buy a cheap used tableting machine and run a business out of their garage. These clowns were mostly turning out speed in varying doses and making a good buck doing it. There were much different laws applying to those who sold by mail than by retail outlet. So there were a few really large mail order vitamin companies selling product dirt cheap because they didn't have to show proof their product contained key (expensive) ingredient.

Those things i wouldn't mind seeing tended to. Things that go into peoples bodies should be legitimate.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:48 AM
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Its an attack on vitamins even though they aren't actually attacking vitamins, but rather supplements which are usually cheaply made anyways. And then they suggest that getting it though dietary means is the best way, which is terrible even if it is the best way.
OH MY GOD
OH MY GOD
I read a study done by actual medical professionals, but I have the internet, so clearly I know better than any of these doctors -snippy tone-

OP, you couldn't take good advice if it walked up to you, shook your hand and inserted a 20 into it.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by alfa1
Am I in a parallel universe here?
A study says "dont take pills, but get your nutrients the natural way, from eating well".... and you cry conspiracy?

I would have thought the opposite would be true, if the study had said "dont bother eating well, but get your nutrients from pills".

This place never fails to amaze me.


a) this encourages people mothers especially to drink milk (the latest radiation problems aside our milk is horrible full of growth hormons and god knows what)
b) a recent study showed vitamin d to have a powerful effect on cancer
c) not taking supplements makes you more susceptible to radiation.
d) almost no one in America knows what a good diet actually is and if they do chances they don't have the time or the means to eat well anyways.

just saying...



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 02:58 AM
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I never took any notice of that; thanks for the information

there are some excellant vitamins on themarket but I'm afraid a majority of people take the ones that hardly has any affect



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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I saw the interview this morning on Canada AM.
Calcium is the problem, NOT vitamin D. What the said about the vitamin D, was that if you take it with the calcium, the calcium is still a problem. Previously they had thought that the vitamin D would help the calcium be healthier, but that isn't the case.

They said to keep taking the vitamin D, but to get your calcium from dairy products, and dark leafy vegies, instead of the supplements.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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S&


...Also, the whole point of alternative therapies is to bring the body back into balance. Gulping handfulls of anything is never a good idea - and the whole "Magic Bullet" and "Magic Pill" concepts are Big Pharma inventions - absolutely NOT consistent with any legitimate wholistic therapy.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by sepermeru
How would big pharma benefit from people taking fewer pills, exactly?

Also, is the vitamin industry non-profit now -- did I miss something?


They make money off of ill people.

Do you really need me to explain it any more than that?!



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by unityemissions

Originally posted by sepermeru
How would big pharma benefit from people taking fewer pills, exactly?

Also, is the vitamin industry non-profit now -- did I miss something?


They make money off of ill people.

Do you really need me to explain it any more than that?!


Yes, you do. The OP says people will be encouraged to eat more real food instead of taking unregulated, unknown pills. Why does it seem better to you if the huge vitamin industry is making huge amounts of money off those pills rather than the huge pharmaceutical industry? Why do you assume that eating real food and getting real sunlight is worse than taking unknown pills?



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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I'm not going to give you a full response. You're being manipulative, and I don't want to play.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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We should get our vitamins and minerals from food?
Isn't it a well known fact that the soil upon which our food is grown is mineral deficient?

Most of the material for vitamin supplements are produced by big pharma.
There is of course more profit in their chemical meds.

THe calcium supplements you get today are mostly calcium carbonate and variants.
Bone Meal the complete bone supplement has been vilified by the propaganda that it contains high levels of Lead.
Now you may wonder how the cattle bones contain so much lead but the meat does not.
Also, how is it that only cattle have somehow ingested this lead.
Was it in their feed? How did it get in the feed?
Were they all pastured at a roadside where busy traffic spewed out lead all day?
Was their feed grown beside a busy interstate?
Well, we are no some 20 odd years without leaded gasoline.
So why would cattle bones still contain lead?
Leaded gas was said to be the big bad polluter.
So is there something else?



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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From the OP article.



The authors suspect that the abrupt change in blood levels of calcium may be what causes the heart attacks and other heart events. As well, high blood calcium levels over the longer term are linked to calcification (hardening) of the arteries.

When the team did further analyses, adding data from 13 other trials involving 29,000 women in total, they also found consistent increases in the risk of heart attack and stroke associated with taking calcium supplements -- with or without vitamin D.

"This data and the previous meta-analyses suggest that calcium supplementation may increase cardiovascular events," Dr. Rick Adachi, an osteoporosis specialist at McMaster University, told CTV News. "And that while a little bit of supplementation may be OK, high doses and over-supplementation are not."

Reid believes that the calcium from food would not cause the same problems. Unlike the calcium in supplements, the calcium in food is absorbed slowly over many hours, so that blood calcium levels hardly change at all, Reid says.


Calcification. From Calcium. Only Calcium.
I heard somewhere else ( I think it was the Dr Oz show) that the calcium might also deposit itself around the heart if there is too much in your body.
edit on 20-4-2011 by snowspirit because: ctv cannot spell :shk: and it was bugging me



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by sepermeru
 


I'm not going to give you a full response. You're being manipulative, and I don't want to play.


I don't understand. Can you answer my questions or not? How am I being "manipulative" exactly? Why do you think it's a game? If what I'm saying is goofy, you should be able to answer it very easily.

My questions are completely real. Can you explain exactly why eating more real food and getting more real sunlight instead of buying pills from a massive industry benefits big pharma?
edit on 20-4-2011 by sepermeru because: edit button is my best friend




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