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Helena Blavatsky & the figure of Baphomet

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posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 02:56 AM
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To restate the original statement (again) - The Nazi's closed the International Lodges as they harbored Jewery - the section from Mein Kampf you just quoted more or less enforces that viewpoint.
The German Lodges did not admit Jews so they were allowed to continue.
Most members of these International lodges left and them and many then joined the now Nazi endorsed "The Frederick The Great Society", there were very few (if any) who stood firm and went willingly to the concentration camps.

I'm not sure what you think the links you posted are really about in relation to this subject - they have the word Freemason in them maybe once or twice but they aren't really informed as to this point which is largely ignored because the writ againt International Freemasonry did not require all Freemasons to be rounded up and sent to concentration camps, it just disbanded them, approximatally one third of the whole Masonic membership in Germany at the time.
In true Freemason fashion though they link their fate to that of Jews and Gypsies to make it look like they were sufferring a far worse fate.




posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by MrNECROS
To restate the original statement (again) - The Nazi's closed the International Lodges as they harbored Jewery - the section from Mein Kampf you just quoted more or less enforces that viewpoint.
The German Lodges did not admit Jews so they were allowed to continue.
Most members of these International lodges left and them and many then joined the now Nazi endorsed "The Frederick The Great Society", there were very few (if any) who stood firm and went willingly to the concentration camps.

In true Freemason fashion though they link their fate to that of Jews and Gypsies to make it look like they were sufferring a far worse fate.



Nice little twist in your argument there. Re-defining Freemasonry is quite clever of you. The International Lodges that you refer to were the recognised Freemasons. The German Lodges were not recognised as they weren't masonic in the usual sense of the word.
It's rather like somebody closing down the Freemasons Lodges of today but leaving OTO intact. Even though the "accepted" and "regular" freemasonry would have disappeared, you are left with something that you can put the tag of Freemasonry on to suit your purpose - even though it's not the Freemasonry that you or anyone else generally refers to when using the word.

As for your final statement? Which part are you arguing with? Alex provided neutral links. They all show how Hitler destroyed regular Freemasonry. You are arguing with all of the evidence that has been presented here (and it's pretty overwhelming), yet you have offered nothing but conjecture and wordplay in return.



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 10:31 AM
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Excellent reply, Leveller. It's rather comical that Necros has defeated his own argument in his last post.
"International" Freemasonry is, of course, Freemasonry that is recognized as legitimate internationally, i.e., regular Freemasonry. Fringe groups within the German state, who were never Freemasons, organize a conspiratorial anti-Masonic campaign in the name of their almighty anti-Masonic Fuehrer, and historical revisionists like Necros appropriate to them the title "Freemasons".

This is what Orwell called "doublethink" and "blackwhite" in his anti-totalitarian masterpiece "1984". In this book, Orwell describes how a tyrannical political party of the future, based on the Communists and Nazis, enslave people mentally, and weed out "thought crimes".
In the book, "blackwhite" is a compliment when applied to a comrade, but derogatory when applied to an enemy (an example of doublethink). When applied to a comrade, it means that a person's loyalty is beyond question, because he will keep arguing that black is really white when it's in the party's interest to do so.
When applied to an enemy, it refers to a person whose argument is absurd, because he claims that black is really white while the evidence is stacked to the contrary (whether or not it actually is).

I have often been amazed at the analogy between Orwell's vision of the Thought Police, and the tactics of the anti-Masons. Like their Orwellian cousins, the anti-Masons re-write history continually, in order to make it conform to their current line (such as Necros' redifining of Freemasonry as you mentioned, a typical example of "blackwhite").
I would suggest everyone re-read 1984, and compare the mind control of the Thought Police with that of the anti-Masonic propagandists, especially the Freemasonry Watch website, which seems to have so effectively programmed Necros. The parallels are nothing short of astonishing.

Fiat Lvx.




[edit on 14-8-2004 by Masonic Light]



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