Tools Suggest Earlier Human Arrival in America

For all of those who darkly mutter about the repression of archaeology, here's another example of changing paradigms. Though the 12.5 kya Beringia date was shattered by Monte Verde in Chile, the door is now open to dig below Clovis, and accept the results. The bar is held high for a reason...but this site changes matters yet again:

Archaeologists and other scientists report in Friday’s issue of the journal Science that excavations show hunter-gatherers were living at the Buttermilk Creek site and making projectile points, blades, choppers and other tools from local chert for a long time, possibly as early as 15,500 years ago.

“This is the oldest credible archaeological site in North America,” Michael R. Waters, leader of the discovery team, said at a news teleconference. www.nytimes.com...

OK, everybody back to the Atlantis threads...

Most of the evidence is buried under hundreds of feet of muck. During the dumping of lake Agazzi , North America was pretty hostile and almost uninhabitable with sea levels rising 120 meters.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Most of the evidence is buried under hundreds of feet of muck. During the dumping of lake Agazzi , North America was pretty hostile and almost uninhabitable with sea levels rising 120 meters.

Well, thank goodness for artifact traps like rock shelters and such. But in many cases, it's a matter of using predictability models...then testing. Not to mention that field archaeologists develop a radar, as in "if there isn't anything, it's because I just haven't found it"

I think that the conventional view of history is less than perfect.

Every month, there are more outliers found that push the conventional models limits.

I'm still waiting for them to find something that has written word that is "too old?

Good post.

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Excellent find my East Coast Friend.

Looking forward to see what else developes from this.

You are more than aware of my own views, so I will not bother clouding this issue at hand with those thoughts.

Ciao

Shane

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S & F

I read this when it was first posted. Pre Clovis people had to be a given. It takes a pre-clovis people to invent a Clovis point. Being either Older North American natives or European ice age immigrants is irrelevant IMO. Clovis could have been developed separately. Same solution to the same problem...


With the bulk of North America under ice and snow it stands to reason that there would be at the time migration to the south, lower half of the Lower 48 and Central/South America etc. What I haven't been able to find was the extent of South Americas higher elevations snow and ice coverage during the height of the last ice age...?

The following is an animation from an upcoming thread of mine...
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
With the bulk of North America under ice and snow it stands to reason that there would be at the time migration to the south, lower half of the Lower 48 and Central/South America etc. What I haven't been able to find was the extent of South Americas higher elevations snow and ice coverage during the height of the last ice age...?

Not sure...but inside the Monte Verde camp, there are mutterings of 40kya, though it's only been proven to around 14.5

Nice find!

There's a hardcore group of archaeologists who believe that humans arrived in North America as long ago as 20,000 years and perhaps as early as 30,000 years ago. It's exciting to see good evidence for the pre-Clovis culture. As the years go on and better evidence is located, the number of "Clovis first" supporters goes down.

I personally like the 25,000-30,000 year figure, myself but I have no real basis for supporting it beyond the apparent levels of the population when the Europeans arrived.

Originally posted by Byrd
I personally like the 25,000-30,000 year figure, myself but I have no real basis for supporting it beyond the apparent levels of the population when the Europeans arrived.

OK Byrd.

Now that is awesome news to hear...

In a semi-not-too related note, archeologists found what they believe to be 1.5 million year old stone tools (the oldest found so far) in India, these are connected to Homo Erectus.

Million-year-old tools found near Chennai - India’s prehistory pushed back

It definitely took us monkeys a long time to reach the Americas.

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slayer, just for grins, care to take a stab at defining "height of the last ice age"? you know, i think, the axe i grind! ha! nail away!

Originally posted by boxturtle
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slayer, just for grins, care to take a stab at defining "height of the last ice age"? you know, i think, the axe i grind! ha! nail away!

Sure
Ice Ages

The amount of ice on the Earth's surface has varied greatly through time. For example, the extent of ice in North America has changed dramatically since the height of the last glacial advance 20,000 years ago.

What I'm looking for was the maximum extent of the expansion at higher elevations in South America

reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread679665/pg1#pid10916260]post by SLAYER69[/ur and perhaps the height of the last " ice age" was the earth's situation before the last crustal shift. being playful; don't expect a response to this.