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reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 06:15 AM by Astyanax
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Salutations, Uncle. Thank you for deigning to reply to me directly. Or should that be ‘daring’ rather than ‘deigning’?

If you will abide being corrected by a young sprout like myself (barely over fifty years old – yes, I know, I know), ‘demise’ means death (or, literally in French, ‘removal’). Since I am manifestly both alive and still here, my demise could not possibly have been wonderful and magnificent; indeed, it cannot have occurred at all. it is probable you had some other word in mind, possibly another one also beginning with D. 'Discomfiture'? ‘Dismissal’? ‘Dismounting’ (as off a high horse)? 'Discombobulation?’ ‘Dismissal’, even?

May I suggest the adoption of a friendly thesaurus? They are quite harmless and, I am told, very cheap to feed.

edit on 27/3/11 by Astyanax because: one doesn’t want to make a cruel beast of oneself. And then because of a typo.



reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 09:07 AM by Uncle Gravity
reply to post by Astyanax



Salutation's, Astyanax. Yes your demise was indeed wonderful, your intellectual demise . I guess anyone that think's a Thesaurus is some kind of creature that require's food is probably due my sympathy, so i do appologise for my hearty laughter . I guess you never stop learning, keep up the good work!

A little joke for your delight...........

Two trucks loaded with thousands of copies of Roget's Thesaurus collided as they left a New York publishing house last Thursday. According to the Associated Press, witnesses were stunned, startled, aghast, taken aback, stupefied, amazed ...



reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 10:38 AM by Pimander
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to posts by
Pimander and Uncle Gravity




Originally posted by Pimander
With respect, I don't call myself a scientist - I am one.

And – by my own account – I’m the murdered son of the Trojan hero Hector.

But never mind. At least one person here takes you at your word, and is delighted to do so:

Murdered Son of Hector,

Surely you know that was poor form? I'm not going to surrender my anonymity today, so you the readers of this will have to judge me by the content of my posts.


No. Panspermia is an unfalsifiable hypothesis that multiplies entities unncessarily. It therefore fails the test of Occam’s Razor.


The principle of simplicity works as a heuristic rule-of-thumb but some people quote it as if it is an axiom of physics. It is not. It can work well in philosophy or particle physics, but less often so in cosmology or psychology, where things usually turn out to be more complicated than you ever expected. Perhaps a quote from Shakespeare would be more appropriate than Occam's razor: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Simplicity is subjective and the universe does not always have the same ideas about simplicity as we do....

...The law of parsimony is no substitute for insight, logic and the scientific method. It should never be relied upon to make or defend a conclusion. As arbiters of correctness only logical consistency and empirical evidence are absolute.
Relativity FAQ: What is Occams Razor?


An example of how Occam's Razor can be misleading is the theory that the Earth is the centre of the Universe. It seemed to be the simplest explanation for the fact that the heavenly bodies appear to circle the Earth. Then Heliocentric hypothesis appeared a simpler explanation for the complex motions of the heavenly spheres and replaced it. However, it is only by testing other - on the surface - more apparently complex theories that we learn more about Earth's relationship with the rest of the Universe. On inspection it turns out that, if there is a centre of the Universe at all, it is not likely to even be in our galaxy.


reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 09:04 PM by Astyanax
reply to post by Pimander


Surely you know that was poor form?

Trying to boost your credibility on ATS by making unfalsifiable assertions about yourself is very poor form.

You the readers of this will have to judge me by the content of my posts.

I already have, Pimander, and doubtless others have too. I may be wrong about you, but that is neither here nor there. The fault is yours for making a claim in the first place that you are unwilling or unable to substantiate. You are in the court of public opinion here, my friend; you submitted yourself to its judgement when first you chose to put ‘scientist’ under your screen name – just as I did when I chose to put ‘mind firmly closed’ under mine. It’s a little late now for coming over all hurt and offended.

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I see you don’t like Occam’s Razor. Cranks with pet theories of their own tend not to. I’m not saying you are a crank, merely noting the company you’re in here.

Scientists, on the other hand, are rather fond of the Venerable Blade. Here is Newton’s formulation of it, which is repeated on that very strange web page you quoted from:

We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances.

For your information, this is the very first of the set of ‘rules for reasoning in philosophy’ Newton put down in his masterwork, the Principia Mathematica. Yes, Occam’s Razor is that important. Newton’s rival Liebniz said something similar; I’m too lazy to walk downstairs and fetch his Discourse on Metaphysics to procure the exact quote for you, but he asserted that God produces the richest effects from the simplest actions in the same way that an apparently simple function can trace out a very complex curve when it is graphed. People who choose to take exception to Occam’s Razor are on very shaky intellectual ground, I’m afraid.

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Panspermia is NOT stupid. I could easily be a lot ruder here but I prefer not to stoop to your level.

Fred Hoyle is dead. Are you Chandra Wickramasinghe? If you are not, then it is not your hypothesis I’m calling stupid. Don’t be so quick to take offence.

As for that news item you quoted – well, if we find Martian microbes, and if they turn out to use something like DNA to preserve and transcribe genetic information about themselves, then perhaps we can start considering panspermia again. Until then, it remains both speculative and scientifically irrelevant.

edit on 27/3/11 by Astyanax because: I wanted to add a tip of the hat to my man Gottfried.

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