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Originally posted by darkbake
I consider myself a liberal first and foremost because I am for helping others and being open-minded. I am also for being scientific, allowing free speech and freedom of religion.
However, I am having a lot of trouble identifying with the liberals nowadays whose motive seems to be more about becoming philosophical zealots than helping others.
In addition, I have some major points I disagree with on their philosophy. I am going to include them here, with ways that I believe they can positively change their position:
I. Under New Liberal rule, people are not allowed to embrace religious culture, which is a natural human phenomenon that allows people to work together and trust each other. The New Liberals should respect other cultures. They are walking on weak ground themselves as far as having a belief system that will hold out more than a hundred years from now.
II. Under New Liberal rule, people are not allowed to speak openly about their opinions. This is ridiculous, as it ensures that the New Liberals have complete control of any argument that they engage in. I believe that as with any respectful party, the New Liberals should engage in arguments and consider other people's viewpoints and most importantly, not consider it a crime to have viewpoints other than their own.
III. Under New Liberal rule, people seem to be literally encouraged to discount friendships and relationships as worthless. Examples of this can be seen on television and in the media. I have seen with my own eyes how this attitude is making people give up on worth-while friendships and relationships. I believe that a stronger liberal party should embrace family (of any sort, even same-sex parents), meaningful relationships and meaningful friendships.
IV. Under New Liberal rule, the man has lost his place. This is not good, because in my opinion, the New Liberals wish to replace the role of the Provider with the State. This is a more complicated issue than I am able to address at the moment, however I believe that a stronger liberal party would help everyone interested rediscover what it means to have their own initiative.
For, if the individual is the sole entity in society, he will always feel weak, relatively powerless, isolated, and alienated from the means to secure the future for himself. Therefore, the liberal individual will trust no one but the State to secure his freedom, for only the State is large enough to do such a thing, and only the State is “real” enough to do it, since the liberal individual sees any other kind of supra-individual entity as an illegitimate one whose exercise of authority will always appear to him as oppression (e.g. the authority of a church, of a social class, of a sex, of an elite association or club, and finally even of the family). The most liberal phrase of indignation is always, “What gives so-and-so the right to tell me what to do?!” As such, it only makes sense that the “weak individuals” with interests in business would seek (as they have regularly since the Nineteenth Century) to harness the state to advance their unlimited wealth production and accumulation. And, in an inevitable reaction, the “weak individuals” whose sense of freedom is bound up more in the free play of consumption and self-fashioning now turn to ask the State for the securing of their material equality and the administered stabilization of every aspect of their lives (except those few little places where “self-fashioning” needs to be most free, i.e. on the level of taste, consumer goods, and sterile copulation).
Originally posted by ReluctantBlossom
reply to post by darkbake
I also identify as a liberal, and I read your post and thought you were talking about conservatives.
Point #1: Liberals that I know DO embrace other cultures and have no problems with the spirituality of others. It is when others try to impose their own beliefs about God or whatever they believe in on others that things get heated--Right down to trying to teach my child about creationism in science class where it has absolutely no basis in observable reality. It seems to me that the conservative message is If you aren't Christian, then you are somehow less deserving of respect. Spirituality is a private matter; keep it at home,keep it at church or keep it to yourself.
Point #2: Liberals DO respect the opinions of others when they make sense. Having different viewpoints are welcome as long as you make your argument logically and with truth-Not politically motivated religious dogma or propaganda spouted by the likes of FOX news.
Point #3: It seems pretty obvious to me that conservatives only value one kind of family; the ideal nuclear family of the '50s...Mommy, Daddy and 2 children. Liberals embrace EVERY kind of family...be they headed by single parents or gay parents or just a group of people who take care of one another.
Point #4: Under "new liberal rule" men have not lost their place...Women have just begun to take their own place as equals to men and entitled to all of the respect they deserve. Men will just have to adjust to not being so dominant anymore and share some power with strong women. Something I feel conservatives have great difficulty accepting if I am to judge by all of the legislation against womens rights to equal pay and organizations that promote women's health and family planning. It appears as if they don't want women to make informed personal decisions about their own bodies.
I could be wrong about many of my beliefs about conservatives, but the message I am getting from the conservative leadership is that if I am not Christian there is something wrong with me, only corporations matter, not people or the environment or anything that does not contribute to their bottom line profits. The message I get from the left is one that values people above profits, ALL kinds of families and beliefs are to be embraced and women deserve all of the same things that men seem to take for granted. I know that all conservatives are not the same, but this is the message that is being sent out. It's the one I'm getting anyway.
Originally posted by korathin
1) If liberal's didn't give special considerations to muslims and if liberal teachers didn't spend so much time bashing Christianity I might believe it.
Originally posted by korathin
2)Right, look at the environmental "debate". The only "legitimate" course of action is welfare for the developing world and crippling socialism/communism for the developed world. No TY
Originally posted by korathin3)Liberal's embrace every kind of family that involves women and children. One woman, two woman and perhaps even maybe 3 women.. Notice a problem yet?
Originally posted by korathin4)BS. I am calling you a liar on this one. New liberals do not support gender equality. They support female supremacy. Look at education. New liberals are still demanding more and more for girl's and women, when girls and women are way ahead of boy's and men in regards to education. Heck new liberals are fixated on the old "gender gap" for boomer women(only a 25 cent difference if you accept their bogus studies), while totally ignoring the $1.25 gender gap in generation Y(and growing).
Originally posted by korathinBut hey since women are on top it doesn't matter? It is only when men outperform women that there is an injustice? Look at the Domestic Violence law's and DV shelters run and financed by "New Liberal's".
According to them men can never be the victims of Domestic Abuse and domestic abuse in lesbian relationship's doesn't happen. You can try and claim the egalitarian horse but reality doesn't support the check your fingers are writing.
Originally posted by korathinHell, Look at the stimulus that was 110% controlled by New Liberal's. Half went to the benefit of female dominated professions, some went to New Liberal police and union thugs, and the rest went to the bankers. While the demograph that lost job's didn't receive any help what so ever.
Originally posted by korathinBut I am guessing your ignorant of New Liberals like Maria Shriver who all but call's for systematic discrimination against men for the benefit of women and call's for women to make more because they are women(In her latest book an anonymous female executive stated women should make more because they have children). Either way you cut it,new liberals are the most racist, sexist and anti-christian bigots on the planet.